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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
Livpool · 05/07/2025 18:02

She sounds ridiculous.
if DH or le go out with friends then DS stays with the other one. He doesn’t want come out with adults and sit in pubs etc. and we don’t want him to

bakebeans · 05/07/2025 18:17

MyDadWasAnArse · 05/07/2025 10:11

I'm neurodivergent and as a little girl I was like Cara. My mum was the polar opposite of Zoey, as I was constantly told by my mum, Grandma and aunt what a nuisance, bad girl, cheeky little madam I was and asked "why can't you just behave!"

There's a middle ground with parenting in this situation.

Correct. If you read the post and the last one (if there is a link) you will see.
This lady has taken her 8 year old to a spa day with adult friends and doesn’t leave the house to meet up with her adult friends without her child.
I’m sorry but that is not normal and isn’t ’middle ground’
The OP mentioned she thought it may be due to husband not wanting to look after her but this is also not the case

KimberleyClark · 05/07/2025 18:32

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:45

When I meet my friends I don't meet them with the intention of boring their arrest of telling them any problems I might have. The idea is to have fun and uplift each other.

Sounds bloody draining.

I was under the impression that the idea is also to support each other through bad times. Seems like your idea of friendship doesn’t include that.

FlipFlopShopInHawaii · 05/07/2025 19:02

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 15:04

Exactly, you just wanted to meet your friend and bore her with all.your troubles and you couldn't do it with a child around.
Agree just find childless friends.
Her daughter will always come first to her.

😲 what a nuts comment???
Christ Almighty, I'm glad I'm not your friend!!

FlipFlopShopInHawaii · 05/07/2025 19:04

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:45

When I meet my friends I don't meet them with the intention of boring their arrest of telling them any problems I might have. The idea is to have fun and uplift each other.

Sounds bloody draining.

Do you want to translate that in something legible? More bullshit! 🐂💩

FlipFlopShopInHawaii · 05/07/2025 19:05

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:50

Arses.

Right back at you!! 🍑 🤬

Utterlyconfusednow · 05/07/2025 19:07

FlipFlopShopInHawaii · 05/07/2025 19:05

Right back at you!! 🍑 🤬

🤣

thepariscrimefiles · 05/07/2025 19:30

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:45

When I meet my friends I don't meet them with the intention of boring their arrest of telling them any problems I might have. The idea is to have fun and uplift each other.

Sounds bloody draining.

OP has spend plenty of time with her friend and her friend's daughter boring OP's arse off:

'I have spent years meeting up with my friend in soft play, McDonald’s and had endless nights at her house when Zoey refused to come out.

I have attended the kids birthday parties, school plays, bought birthday and Christmas presents and listened for hours when Zoey talks about them.

I haven’t seen my best friend alone for as long as I can remember and she probably doesn’t know much about my life as I can’t discuss it in front of her kids.'

Friendships are supposed to be reciprocal and benefit both parties but everything has revolved around Zoey and her daughter.

NattyFox · 05/07/2025 19:44

I think if you wanted to preserve the friendship you could have kept to simple, factual statements such as " I would have really appreciated an adults-only catch up without Cara here" and " I think that was a polite way of asking Cara to leave them alone."
It sounds like it got much more heated than that and you both said things which would be hard to come back from now.

For what it's worth though I think this woman does sound as though she has some serious issues.

Curly66 · 05/07/2025 20:43

alexalisten · 05/07/2025 06:30

I think you're unreasonable for not filtering yourself infront of children. Would you really sit their infront of an 8 year old and discuss your sex life, your relationship with your partner, how your boss is pissing you off and about your period, health issues, your family members cancer diagnosis, stresses in your life, whats happening in the news or an interesting true crime documentary you had seen recently

You’re totally missing the point 🙄. She wanted to see her friend, on her own. Just the two of them. Nothing worse than an entitled mother who thinks everyone loves her kids. They don’t, believe me

MrsRaspberry · 05/07/2025 22:12

Cut her off she clearly has no boundaries and cannot keep anything you tell her confidential..her kid is a prime example of that and she's immature to be discussing your personal chats with her 8 year old child. That little girl is more than old enough to know better than to roam around a restaurant pestering other diners and her mother is an inconsiderate prick to allow the kid to do it. Your friendship has clearly fizzled out and you no longer have anything in common. That child is a product of her mother's lack of parenting her child appropriately

RampantIvy · 05/07/2025 22:26

I think I might be tempted to make up some x rated stories peppered with a lot of swear words 😁

BrokenWingsCantFly · 05/07/2025 23:22

This reply has been withdrawn

The OP has privacy concerns and so we've agreed to take this down now.

alexalisten · 06/07/2025 00:27

Curly66 · 05/07/2025 20:43

You’re totally missing the point 🙄. She wanted to see her friend, on her own. Just the two of them. Nothing worse than an entitled mother who thinks everyone loves her kids. They don’t, believe me

What ? Have you quoted the wrong person

Ladyzfactor · 06/07/2025 01:29

I have an aunt who is like this with a cousin of mine. She always wanted a daughter and after she had girl her boys were basically pushed to the side, to the extent when she got divorced the sons lived with the father. She put on a show for social media but about being sad about it but in reality never was that bothered. My cousin has been so sheltered and coddled that she doesn't really know how to function in the real world, and has never been able to hold down a job for long. Last time I saw her she was also extremely overweight in her early twenties because her mother never restricted her. Unfortunately I see her being bed bound in the next ten or so years. It's sad because the cousin is actually not a brat and is quite sweet but can't break out of the toxic relationship with her mother.

AtrociousCircumstance · 06/07/2025 01:43

That was a very satisfying read OP! I’m so glad you told her exactly what you thought! YANBU.

I agree with PPs that the time has come to detach emotionally now and not get pulled into any more drama or discussion about it.

Cardinalita90 · 06/07/2025 01:46

You weren't being unreasonable in what you felt, and although not the ideal way for it to be said, it seems like whenever and whoever broached it would have met with the same reaction.

I wouldn't message her. Let her reflect on what you've said. It sounds like the friendship is dead but if it does get resurrected either just the two of you, or in a group, I think you'd have to say any out-and-about meet ups are child free from now on. You just wouldn't trust her not to slip into old ways. If you want to meet her and are happy to see the child, have a catch up at Zoey's house.

pharmer · 06/07/2025 02:27

She has made it pretty clear to everyone that she and cara come as a package and that is her prerogative.Given her past form You should have clarified whether she would be coming. Also have you considered that she might not like being treated as your unpaid counsellor? You are not wrong about approaching other tables in the restaurant, but this is very unusual behaviour for an 8 year old- has she got a SEN? You went WAAAAY too far though!

DisabledDemon · 06/07/2025 02:42

No, you're not unreasonable. Zoey sounds utterly unreasonable, if not batshit crazy. Her obsession with her child is monomaniacal. Let her go as she's clearly bonkers.

Motherofwildlings · 06/07/2025 08:05

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 05/07/2025 00:46

Oh FFS. Some people are just selfish. Not everyone has autism 🙄

Autistic person here with autistic kiddos, and whilst I appreciate it’s a spectrum even my most chatty of children with higher support needs would never do something like that, without being at least being taken away from the situation pronto. End of the day a neurodivergent child can still have social etiquette explained to them in a way they can understand, and the mother’s failure to intervene is the problem. The child, autistic or not should not be allowed to disturb others, it’s poor parenting and nothing to do with being autistic. It’s actually quite infantilising to have the assumption that autistic people are incapable of understanding social situations and that they must be given a pass for poor behaviour. It’s true that a lot of social situations can be difficult, but it doesn’t mean that we are completely unable to navigate them entirely or incapable of learning them. Something like a meltdown in public would be different and not bad behaviour, but simply allowing your child to do what they want under the guise of autism isn’t okay and often too many people use this as an excuse. And, TBF these people don’t sound autistic (though who knows), they just sound like arseholes 😅 too many folk assuming that odd or crappy behaviour is a result of neurodivergence when it’s actually likely that they are just being badly behaved lol x

Ninkynonkpinkyponks · 06/07/2025 08:08

She’s crazy! I would hate to be having a nice grown up lunch with wine and some kid comes over and doesn’t fuck off.

and I have 3 kids. People don’t want other peoples kids at grown up events. I wouldn’t!!

Motherofwildlings · 06/07/2025 08:09

Limegreentrashcan · 05/07/2025 00:38

Good for you OP. I'd personally move on and grey rock/take an emotional break from this situation. Don't get dragged into any drama.

From your description and the spa thread, I wonder about undiagnosed autism in both Cara and Zoey. It would explain a lot.

Nothing you can do about it, but a lot of the behaviours seem absolutely classic.

I have family members who are ND/autistic.

Care for them a lot and they can and have been brilliantly helpful 1-1.

However, going out with them socially can be hard as they decide to get socially involved with any stranger they like the look of.

If they overhear a conversation they're interested in they may just walk over and try to join in.

And it is challenging to explain that the other person might not be comfortable, as they just argue and get defensive.

If they get a rigid idea about something, that's it...there's no room for dissent and you may as well be just talking to the wall!

Autistic person here with autistic kiddos, and whilst I appreciate it’s a spectrum even my most chatty of children with higher support needs would never do something like that, without being at least being taken away from the situation pronto. End of the day a neurodivergent child can still have social etiquette explained to them in a way they can understand, and the mother’s failure to intervene is the problem. The child, autistic or not should not be allowed to disturb others, it’s poor parenting and nothing to do with being autistic. It’s actually quite infantilising to have the assumption that autistic people are incapable of understanding social situations and that they must be given a pass for poor behaviour. It’s true that a lot of social situations can be difficult, but it doesn’t mean that we are completely unable to navigate them entirely or incapable of learning them. Something like a meltdown in public would be different and not bad behaviour, but simply allowing your child to do what they want under the guise of autism isn’t okay and often too many people use this as an excuse. And, TBF these people don’t sound autistic (though who knows), they just sound like arseholes 😅 too many folk assuming that odd or crappy behaviour is a result of neurodivergence when it’s actually likely that they are just being badly behaved lol x

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 06/07/2025 08:17

Motherofwildlings · 06/07/2025 08:05

Autistic person here with autistic kiddos, and whilst I appreciate it’s a spectrum even my most chatty of children with higher support needs would never do something like that, without being at least being taken away from the situation pronto. End of the day a neurodivergent child can still have social etiquette explained to them in a way they can understand, and the mother’s failure to intervene is the problem. The child, autistic or not should not be allowed to disturb others, it’s poor parenting and nothing to do with being autistic. It’s actually quite infantilising to have the assumption that autistic people are incapable of understanding social situations and that they must be given a pass for poor behaviour. It’s true that a lot of social situations can be difficult, but it doesn’t mean that we are completely unable to navigate them entirely or incapable of learning them. Something like a meltdown in public would be different and not bad behaviour, but simply allowing your child to do what they want under the guise of autism isn’t okay and often too many people use this as an excuse. And, TBF these people don’t sound autistic (though who knows), they just sound like arseholes 😅 too many folk assuming that odd or crappy behaviour is a result of neurodivergence when it’s actually likely that they are just being badly behaved lol x

Absolutely 💯 it's actually quite insulting to autistic people!

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 06/07/2025 08:19

pharmer · 06/07/2025 02:27

She has made it pretty clear to everyone that she and cara come as a package and that is her prerogative.Given her past form You should have clarified whether she would be coming. Also have you considered that she might not like being treated as your unpaid counsellor? You are not wrong about approaching other tables in the restaurant, but this is very unusual behaviour for an 8 year old- has she got a SEN? You went WAAAAY too far though!

Edited

No she doesn't have fking SEN! They are just both rude and thinks the world revolves around them! Agree OP should have spelt it out given her friend is a complete loon.

Ilovelurchers · 06/07/2025 08:24

OP, fully understand why you are frustrated that Zoey keeps bringing Cara, especially when you explicitly asked her not to. I think that is a totally justifiable reason not to continue the friendship (which of course you can always do, for any reason or none).

I don't think it was compassionate of you to raise these issues in front of Cara herself, given that from her perspective they would presumably sound pretty hurtful/insulting. You admit you don't like the child -well fair enough, children are people too and we aren't obliged to like them - but saying that stuff in front of her seems unnecessarily cruel. It's hardly Cara's fault her mom brings her to lunches - an eight year old can't be expected to know that that would be a problem.

So, overall, I'd say absolutely right to end the friendship, but it wasn't very nice to have the row in front of the little girl. Now, her mom should have removed her from that horrible situation of course. But you have agency too - you also could have chosen not to do it to her. Bitten your tongue for a few more minutes and sent it all over text as soon as you left, if you understandably needed to vent.

Anyway, what's done is done. Try to stop thinking about it now - you have other friends. Sorry for your losses.