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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
LancashireButterPie · 06/07/2025 08:27

I wouldn't want to go out with either of you to be honest.
I once had a relative ask their child to show me a reel of around 500+ near identical holiday photos. Clearly, that was designed to give the mum a break but honestly so bloody boring.
But, I'm also getting sick of friends who are having a hard time and need to vent. It's ok to spend a couple of hours listening to one of them but when you have several friends "going through stuff" it becomes tedious and drags you down.
I'm backing out of friendships and focussing more on family lately.
What do you bring to this relationship OP? Are you bringing joy and laughter or are you a whinger? Maybe she brings her DD to lighten things up.
Finally, no one is interested in your menopause.

Onelifeonly · 06/07/2025 08:54

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:45

When I meet my friends I don't meet them with the intention of boring their arrest of telling them any problems I might have. The idea is to have fun and uplift each other.

Sounds bloody draining.

I don't agree with your definition of what a friendship is. While whining for hours about one's own problems without listening to a friend is probably bad form, I see a lot more to friendship than just having "fun". Mostly we talk about life, each other's and life in general - if we don't laugh like crazy at any point, it doesn't mean we don't have a good time.

Whynotjustengageyourbrain · 06/07/2025 08:58

Onelifeonly · 06/07/2025 08:54

I don't agree with your definition of what a friendship is. While whining for hours about one's own problems without listening to a friend is probably bad form, I see a lot more to friendship than just having "fun". Mostly we talk about life, each other's and life in general - if we don't laugh like crazy at any point, it doesn't mean we don't have a good time.

Absolutely, it should usually be fun but also you support in bad times. Obviously if someone is always having a bad time and always leaning on you, that's draining. Life has ups and downs and that's what friends are for, to be there for it all.

PlaygroundSusie · 06/07/2025 09:49

I don't get those posters who say that the OP should have been more direct in asking Zoey for an adults only catch-up.

It sounds to me like the OP couldn't have been clearer. She asked Zoey if they could catch up in a more adult-friendly environment, and explained that she had issues she needed Zoey's advice on, which is hard to do with children around.

Zoey agreed to this. Then Zoey went back on her word by bringing Cara anyway!

If I'd have been in the OP's shoes, I probably would have blurted something like: "Oh, I thought we agreed it would us adults only this time. Don't you remember me telling you I needed your advice on something?"

(Also, I'm with the posters who say friendship should be about the good times and the bad. The OP is going through a rough patch at the moment, but there is nothing to suggest she always dumps her problems onto her friends every single time they catch up. If anything, it sounds like she's been the one doing all the accommodating with Zoey and her kids - going to nothing but kid-friendly venues, and including Cara in the conversation up until this point).

Figgygal · 06/07/2025 10:13

I remember your other threads op she really is thick skinned isn't she
Given how you'd positioned yesterday I'd have left when child turned up.
Turn to your other friends for support.

ASongbirdAndAOldHat · 06/07/2025 15:14

Please can someone tell me what happened at the spa - I only read it when op was waiting to see why happened - did Cara turn up?

BMW6 · 06/07/2025 15:20

ASongbirdAndAOldHat

Yes. There's a link to the Spa thread earlier 👆

HappiestWhenGardening · 06/07/2025 17:56

You absolutely need to ditch this bloody woman. She doesnt care about you and seems completely boundaryless .

I say this because i wasted years on someone similar.

PulchritudinousLycanthrope · 06/07/2025 18:20

The fact that she accused you of hating kids shows how deep in she is, OP.

Most parents know that kids are not everyone's cup of tea and act accordingly.

Getting pissed off about a kid being annoying in a setting designed for adults to get together is normal. I used to be a stepMum and was very careful where I took the kids and they were very well behaved.

Drop her and don't look back.

NotThatWitty · 06/07/2025 18:25

ASongbirdAndAOldHat · 06/07/2025 15:14

Please can someone tell me what happened at the spa - I only read it when op was waiting to see why happened - did Cara turn up?

If I remember the gist -

OP has group of friends (some of whom have children), and one of the group always took her daughter out with them. Que entertaining a young child (child was 7 at the time of the thread, I believe), and child always interrupting adult conversation.

A few of the group (OP included) were getting fed up of daughter always coming along, and so they booked a spa day. On the day OP friend turned up with 7 year old, who had wanted to come. OP friend understood her daughter would not be allowed any treatments, but assumed daughter would be okay in the pool area etc while she had her own treatments (and others in group looked after child, I believe, during this time).

Spa said no. Girl too young. Mum got upset and tried to kick up a fuss. Others in group had spa day (which I imagine had cost them a fair bit) ruined by all fuss and hassle created. OP gave the mum/her friend a couple home truths about not always wanting a child around for adult activities, and that a spa was not suitable for a 7 year old.

Later that day, another friend called OP and said that the mum-friend had called her in tears and mutual friend thought OP had been unreasonable. OP asked everyone if she had been unreasonable; majority of MN agreed with OP and said no.

Newoxonbird · 06/07/2025 18:31

To be honest OP I actually cannot believe you're in ANY doubt as to what a totally insufferable complete cow that woman is.
She is one of those godawful mothers ( we've all met them ) who imagines the whole world should be utterly enchanted by their children.
You were beyond patient and gave her chance after chance to respect your requests to turn up to dates without her kids and failed to honour a single one.
She has no respect for you. None. Its all about meeting her own needs and her bratty daughter's demands.
And accusing you of being jealous and child hating tells you exactly what a monumental 24 carat bitch she is
Drop her like a stone.
She's not your friend.

Wearingmycrown · 06/07/2025 18:39

I would just step back, she won’t always be this obsessed & Cara will one day not want to tag along on her mom’s social life. However, in the meantime I would attend the things you’re invited to minus the soft plays & the park, I’d be honest and say you don’t enjoy those meet ups. I wouldn’t instigate meeting ever & id only message if she messaged first. I’d concentrate making more connections with other friends because the truth is you are experiencing life differently. I think you’ve become resentful & this has been miss directed at Cara. She’s just a kid & your friend could be equally jealous of your childfree life. Maybe she avoids hearing about it because she’s not as happy as she wants you to believe.

jannier · 06/07/2025 18:42

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

Surely if you say to a good friend life's shit at the moment can we meet for an adult chat.....the friend agrees then turns up with child....it's the friend who's self absorbed.

user1493559472 · 06/07/2025 18:44

You have done the right thing. I have a friend who is like that. She has 2 children who are teenages, when we have gone away for a few days, all she talks about our her kids, phones them all the time, sends them messages, wants to know what they are doing and where they are, she relies on her kids too much.
It's sounding like your friend can't cope without her child, also kids should not be going and talking to another group of women, she is a child and should act like a child and not a mini adult. They don't have a healthy relationship.

KM123456 · 06/07/2025 18:46

You are correct to drop her. I feel sorry for her other child, who seems neglected. Is Cara the only girl? Why does her mother favor her so strongly?
Still, you can't fix this kind of broken. She will likely end up losing both kids andif her husband wakes upher marriage.

BruFord · 06/07/2025 18:48

I do feel bad for Cara because she will find friendships really difficult. Her mother will raise her to be entitled and she won't understand why people eventually will tire of her and avoid her. She will also be made feel guilty and wrong when she is a teen and wants to ditch her mum , I can only imagine how devastated Zoey will be.

I agree @Dontlletmedownbruce , this isn’t good parenting and I hope that Zoey’s DH steps in and says something before long.

Freud2 · 06/07/2025 19:15

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:45

That’s fair enough I appreciate the feedback, just out of interest can I ask how I’ve been self absorbed and entitled?

I have spent years meeting up with my friend in soft play, McDonald’s and had endless nights at her house when Zoey refused to come out.

I have attended the kids birthday parties, school plays, bought birthday and Christmas presents and listened for hours when Zoey talks about them.

I haven’t seen my best friend alone for as long as I can remember and she probably doesn’t know much about my life as I can’t discuss it in front of her kids.

I appreciated we were in different stages - especially when the kids were very young, and when everything had to revolve round them but she could easily find free time now. If she had no childcare options I’d be more understanding but she chooses to bring them everywhere.

My other friends have kids and it doesn’t affect our friendship and they are also fed up with the situation.

Do you think I’ve been expecting too much?

No you're definitely not expecting too much. She seems to have zero self awareness and you should expect that Zoey would give you some time alone with her to discuss your concerns.

GiveDogBone · 06/07/2025 19:17

You did exactly the right thing. Even more satisfying to know that on your last post all the MN man-haters blamed the husband for not stepping up, but now we know they were completely wrong, and its crystal clear exactly who was at fault.

Santina · 06/07/2025 19:18

Zoey needs help, she sounds like my DIL, she also needs help. Won't go anywhere without a child in tow. 🙄

Cherrytree86 · 06/07/2025 19:22

Wearingmycrown · 06/07/2025 18:39

I would just step back, she won’t always be this obsessed & Cara will one day not want to tag along on her mom’s social life. However, in the meantime I would attend the things you’re invited to minus the soft plays & the park, I’d be honest and say you don’t enjoy those meet ups. I wouldn’t instigate meeting ever & id only message if she messaged first. I’d concentrate making more connections with other friends because the truth is you are experiencing life differently. I think you’ve become resentful & this has been miss directed at Cara. She’s just a kid & your friend could be equally jealous of your childfree life. Maybe she avoids hearing about it because she’s not as happy as she wants you to believe.

@Wearingmycrown

”equally jealous” - what on earth has made you think that OP is jealous of her friend?? If anything this whole thing is a great reminder for us all to take today’s contraception if we don’t want a child 🤣 Zoey has zero life for herself and one day will be sad and lonely when Cara has flown the nest and she’s pissed all her mates off

Wearingmycrown · 06/07/2025 19:24

The manner in which she talks about the child who by all accounts is just as innocent to Zoey’s behaviour suggests a touch of jealousy

Cherrytree86 · 06/07/2025 19:28

Wearingmycrown · 06/07/2025 19:24

The manner in which she talks about the child who by all accounts is just as innocent to Zoey’s behaviour suggests a touch of jealousy

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@Wearingmycrown

OP doesn’t sound resentful though, she naturally pissed off that her friend cannot go anywhere without her child especially given the past spa day embarrassment. This woman Zoey is heading for some
very lonely times ahead - never good to make motherhood your whole identity

Blablibladirladada · 06/07/2025 19:28

You don’t like her anymore, maybe u DID but you do not now anymore.

Let it go.

Cherrytree86 · 06/07/2025 19:29

Wearingmycrown · 06/07/2025 19:24

The manner in which she talks about the child who by all accounts is just as innocent to Zoey’s behaviour suggests a touch of jealousy

Edited

@Wearingmycrown

i don’t think so…
as I say Zoey and Cara are a great example of why the child free life can be so amazing 🥂

Cherrytree86 · 06/07/2025 19:29

Blablibladirladada · 06/07/2025 19:28

You don’t like her anymore, maybe u DID but you do not now anymore.

Let it go.

@Blablibladirladada

who would like her now though?? She sounds sooooo dull.