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AIBU to ask my friend to stop her child pestering people in a restaurant?

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Letsblameitallonperi · 04/07/2025 23:55

I was meeting up with a friend Zoey today I hadn’t seen for a few weeks, I was really looking forward to seeing her.

We had arranged to have lunch in a proper restaurant (not the usual child friendly places) and I was hoping we could have some wine and adult conversation.
Almost every time I meet up with Zoey she has brought at least one of her two kids and it’s been difficult to talk properly.

It’s frustrating because her husband has even offered to look after them when we meet on a Friday because he has an early finish, Zoey often just laughs and says “oh it’s ok wildhorses likes to spend time with the kids” or something along those lines. Last time her husband could obviously tell I wasn’t impressed and gave me a regretful shrug, he tried pushing it but Zoey ignored him so I know it’s definitely not her husband behind this.

I posted on mumsnet a few months ago and was asked if it was possibly her husband being controlling and making her take the kids or refusing to look after them, I think I can confidently say that’s not the case, the last time he offered he seemed to be frustrated when Zoey turned down his offer and even asked if she didn’t trust him with his own kids, Zoey just laughs and insists I’m happy with the situation.
I was also given advice to suggest just one on one time and say I’d like to see her alone in a more adult environment, I followed this advice and told Zoey I wanted her advice on something I was really struggling with and wanted to talk to her properly as we can never discuss anything when she’s distracted by the kids.

I was surprised she actually agreed and so I wasn’t impressed when I turned up to see she had her daughter with her (it seems to be always her 8 year old daughter Cara she brings) and she said we could have a “girls afternoon”.

I was so pissed off I nearly walked out, I thought I’d been clear and Zoey knows I’m having a really rough time and I just wasn’t up for entertaining her daughter or listening to her many many stories.
I asked where Adam (her husband) was and if he was looking after her other child, Zoey said yes but Cara wanted to come.

It wasn’t a great day, everything we talked about was met with “who is that mum?” “Why did she do that?” “What does that mean?” When I gave up trying to have a conversation Zoey encouraged Cara to tell me all her “news” and I can assure you it was gripping stuff 🤦🏼‍♀️.

I was just going to leave and decided the friendship was over and there was no point having any big discussions or explaining I’d had enough, I realised Zoey just wasn’t interested enough to meet me alone and I wasn’t wasting my free time having “girlie lunches” with a 8 year old.

Just before we left Cara insisted on a pudding and as we were waiting there was a group of 4 women at the next table in their twenties/thirties who looked like they were having a great time laughing and drinking wine.
Cara went over to their table and started talking to them, they were polite but obviously weren’t that happy to be disturbed, after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”
I waited for Zoey to tell her to come back but she waved her hand and said “ohh it’s fine she loves chatting to new people”

Thats when I had finally had enough, I told Zoey that Cara might like it but not everyone wants to be best friends with an 8 year old and that was a polite way for them to tell Cara to fuck off. Cara was out of earshot for that remark but obviously Zoey wasn’t happy, she told me I was an intolerant child - hating bitch who was clearly regretting my choice to not have kids and I was jealous of the bond she has with her daughter.

I’m not proud but I retaliated by saying she was obsessed with Cara and that’s obviously because she wasn’t mature enough to see her friends her own age and that even her husband seemed to think it was odd. I said other friends were absolutely fed up of Cara coming everywhere, sulking when she wasn’t invited to weddings, attempts to bring her on nights out and even spa days, I said she’d made Cara her whole identify and was selfish, boring and I hoped Cara would let her join in at birthday parties and her play dates because her friends were all sick of her.

We didn’t make a scene in the restaurant, it wasn’t shouting or anything, more hissed insults. Cara wasn’t upset and just sat eating her pudding and listening as usual, I’m surprised we didn’t get feedback from her.

In the end I just walked away and I am now cringing at how pathetic it was that two adults in their forties were arguing with a child listening.
I haven’t heard from Zoey and I think I’ll block her, I’ve spoken to another friend who said she knows I’m struggling with a lot and she wasn’t surprised I’d got upset when I’d asked for support from my best friend and been ignored and then made to feel like I was unreasonable for wanting some time with her alone.

The main thing that pissed me off and the reason I posted was the fact Zoey wasn’t just bothered about ruining our day but she would have let Cara stay pestering the women at the next table, it just made me realise how selfish she has become.
I want to know if I was unreasonable for asking Zoey to tell Cara to come away from the other table or if I was just projecting my own annoyance and the women probably didn’t mind that much?
I have had a very difficult few weeks with a bereavement, I’ve just had surgery and I’m having mood swings from perimenopause, I’d appreciate honest opinions if I overreacted or not?

I expect some people will tell me IWBU and it’s normal to love your children and be proud of them, I hope there are a few others though that would have finally had enough and snapped?

OP posts:
outerspacepotato · 05/07/2025 15:13

Cara is an extension of Zoe and Zoe's got issues. Unhealthy issues.

You're well clear of that mess. Your friend is gone and it hurts to lose a friend. Sorry.

Lifestooshort6591 · 05/07/2025 15:27

You should not have said those things in front of a child. You are clearly not the friends you thought you were. When Cara wanted a pudding, you should have asked for the bill at the same time, paid your bit, and left. You already said at this point you knew the friendship was over so why hang around to get bad tempered?I really do not understand why people insist on flogging a dead horse. Shd is all about her children, you have no interest in children. Maybe you might be in different places in 5 years or more, but I do not see you rekindling this friendship after that lunch.

SunnyViper · 05/07/2025 15:30

My sister in law was brought up,like this and was with her mother all the time. She was a precocious child and is a judgemental and overbearing adult now. One to be missed.

KimberleyClark · 05/07/2025 15:34

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 15:04

Exactly, you just wanted to meet your friend and bore her with all.your troubles and you couldn't do it with a child around.
Agree just find childless friends.
Her daughter will always come first to her.

Is that you Zoey?

WhatNoRaisins · 05/07/2025 15:38

I mean heaven forbid someone might want to talk through their troubles with someone that's supposed to be a trusted friend. Such odd and entitled behaviour these days 🙄

Noodles1234 · 05/07/2025 15:40

I remember your previous post, Zoey sounds crackers. Some people when they become parents become self absorbed into this little bubble and they ignore everything else around them, usually the ones who struggle to let go when they start school or turn a teenager.
Awareness is key, and not seeing other adults becoming irritated it just sounds very self absorbed, obsessed and ignorant. They think everyone dotes and loves them as they do.

I feel it is important to have time to yourself, I understand it more when they’re babies, but 8 crikey. Especially if a friend is clear about wanting adult time, it sounds she is struggling to let go of any time with her daughter / a fear of any time spent apart is a moment wasted. It might do her daughter good to be apart from her too. Even women with children want adult time.

Find different friends, feel free to not block her, but I would let her consider her actions and she may need more time than you first think on this. Her comments were unkind to you, please don’t give them a second thought.

PulchritudinousLycanthrope · 05/07/2025 15:44

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:15

Yes that’s the same person, I thought she might have learned from that but she just doesn’t care.

I was going to send her a message saying how I wanted us to still be friends and explain how upset and I hurt I was and that it’s almost like she finds my company so boring that she has to bring her daughter.

I changed my mind and I’m not going to block her but I am done with her. It will be awkward with other mutual friends but I think they are equally as fed up so it might give them a chance to be honest.

After the spa day there was another argument with her sister that she wanted Cara to be a bridesmaid at her wedding. Her sister wasn’t having bridesmaids as it was a really small wedding, Zoey wouldn’t give up and even bought a dress for Cara. She said she wasn’t going to the wedding but she did in the end when her other family stepped in.

It’s just not normal is it?! I don’t think she sees how weird and obsessive she is.

I ended up with a bridesmaid I didn't want because my sister was like this with her daughter.

My sister has had to weddings, presumably how she wanted them. She asked if her DD could be my BM and I said no. It's low key and I didn't want a BM or any of the 'trimmings' at all.

I got one anyway and dressed in my least favourite colour!

The kid is grown up now and it has to be said, she is a mini me and obnoxious as hell. I haven't seen any of them for years as I can't bear them.

Stay away from her and hers. She knew exactly what she was doing but, like my sister, probably can't say no to the DC.

BotterMon · 05/07/2025 15:48

I remember your last post about this. YADNBU and well done you for saying something. It may have fallen on deaf ears but maybe not?
I have a friend who does the same although daughter is 14, only joins towards end of lunch and even more annoying as sees herself as a VIP. Her mum just can't read the room when said daughter is trying to chat up businessmen having a serious lunch 🙄

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 05/07/2025 15:52

Not the point, I know, but IMO that’s a weird way for her to spell Zoe!

MaggiesShadow · 05/07/2025 15:53

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:45

That’s fair enough I appreciate the feedback, just out of interest can I ask how I’ve been self absorbed and entitled?

I have spent years meeting up with my friend in soft play, McDonald’s and had endless nights at her house when Zoey refused to come out.

I have attended the kids birthday parties, school plays, bought birthday and Christmas presents and listened for hours when Zoey talks about them.

I haven’t seen my best friend alone for as long as I can remember and she probably doesn’t know much about my life as I can’t discuss it in front of her kids.

I appreciated we were in different stages - especially when the kids were very young, and when everything had to revolve round them but she could easily find free time now. If she had no childcare options I’d be more understanding but she chooses to bring them everywhere.

My other friends have kids and it doesn’t affect our friendship and they are also fed up with the situation.

Do you think I’ve been expecting too much?

If it's any consolation, @Letsblameitallonperi I don't know where that poster gets the idea that you're self-absorbed!

I can't abide people who can't or won't separate themselves from their children. She's setting that little girl up to be a nightmare.

Cherrytree86 · 05/07/2025 15:56

Lifestooshort6591 · 05/07/2025 15:27

You should not have said those things in front of a child. You are clearly not the friends you thought you were. When Cara wanted a pudding, you should have asked for the bill at the same time, paid your bit, and left. You already said at this point you knew the friendship was over so why hang around to get bad tempered?I really do not understand why people insist on flogging a dead horse. Shd is all about her children, you have no interest in children. Maybe you might be in different places in 5 years or more, but I do not see you rekindling this friendship after that lunch.

@Lifestooshort6591

urgh who’d wanna be friends with someone who is all about their children?! I mean, they’d be such boring company!

Dontlletmedownbruce · 05/07/2025 16:02

I have a high tolerance for children, I enjoy them and work with them but I am 100% with you on this OP. The frustrating thing is that because you are childless, she is assuming that is the issue, you don't understand. So whatever you say will be taken this way. She really needs to hear it from another friend who has a child. When a friend has a baby it always puts a strain on a relationship, that's normal but this isn't.

I do feel bad for Cara because she will find friendships really difficult. Her mother will raise her to be entitled and she won't understand why people eventually will tire of her and avoid her. She will also be made feel guilty and wrong when she is a teen and wants to ditch her mum , I can only imagine how devastated Zoey will be.

You are doing the right thing OP. Maybe in 10 years she will come crawling back and maybe you should then consider the way forward but for now I'd start accepting the friendship isn't really there.

Nanny0gg · 05/07/2025 16:28

Whyamialwayslate · 05/07/2025 05:46

It’s your perception children are annoying to others , just cos you get annoyed doesn’t mean everyone does . many people are happy to chat to children , they are just smaller humans after all and having the confidence and social ability to strike up chats with people is a great skill and learning opportunity . Safe guarding issue Catch yourself on she’s having a chat with a group of women at next table in a public place , her mother is sat right there supervising!

You missed this bit then?

'after a few minutes one woman said “I think your mummy is waiting for you to go back to your table”'

Furore · 05/07/2025 16:36

You have persevered with Zoey for a long time but is that because of the friendship group and keeping the group afloat.
I think the group will sit on the fence and you will have to organise your own meetups excluding her.
Id also advise as a pp did to put more effort into making individual friends via hobbies. You will probably find you make new friends more like yourself with your values.
An alternative is to get one of your friends to intercede on your behalf. But it probably wont be successful and would you want that. Cara will still come to the meet ups.

Fireflybaby · 05/07/2025 16:39

Ok, I have a few questions reading you message.

  1. Why has no one (you, her DP) been more blunt or direct with the fact that this meeting should definitely be child free because serios discussions need to be had. Maybe she she doesn't "get the message" if its only a suggestion or it is too subtle.
  2. Or maybe she got the message but indeed doesn't trust her partner with her daughter. Is there some fear, / worry she never shared with anyone about her daughter spending time alone with the father?
  3. Have you ever tried to tell her "look Zoey, I love your kids, but they're not my best friends, you are and I need your focus when we have serios stuff to discuss. And not be interrupted by a child. If she's your friend, why have you let your frustrations muster to the point you had to snap when she's done this before?

But yes, her behaviour is a bit weird coming to friends meetings with a child all the time. Maybe that should be something that needs exploring among friends. NTA

CandelabraCat · 05/07/2025 16:48

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:45

That’s fair enough I appreciate the feedback, just out of interest can I ask how I’ve been self absorbed and entitled?

I have spent years meeting up with my friend in soft play, McDonald’s and had endless nights at her house when Zoey refused to come out.

I have attended the kids birthday parties, school plays, bought birthday and Christmas presents and listened for hours when Zoey talks about them.

I haven’t seen my best friend alone for as long as I can remember and she probably doesn’t know much about my life as I can’t discuss it in front of her kids.

I appreciated we were in different stages - especially when the kids were very young, and when everything had to revolve round them but she could easily find free time now. If she had no childcare options I’d be more understanding but she chooses to bring them everywhere.

My other friends have kids and it doesn’t affect our friendship and they are also fed up with the situation.

Do you think I’ve been expecting too much?

You don’t sound remotely entitled or self absorbed to me - sounds like you’ve had the patience of a saint, but everyone has their limit! Good on you for speaking up for the women at the other table.

RampantIvy · 05/07/2025 16:53

Citroenc1 · 05/07/2025 00:31

Zoey sounds crackers and you come across and self absorbed and entitled (sorry, no idea about the other posts? You clearly are in very different stages of your lifes. no need to block her. the friendship ran it's course. Find childless friends!

No she doesn't.
Are you Cara's mother?

Rightsraptor · 05/07/2025 17:22

It can be a difficult lesson to learn that not everyone thinks our children are as wonderful as we think they are. But it is a lesson that has to be learnt and Zoey should have learnt it years ago. For some reason she hasn't but that's not your problem.

I think you're just going to have to avoid her. I wouldn't actually block her, she might see sense one day, you never know.

Futurehappiness · 05/07/2025 17:23

Letsblameitallonperi · 05/07/2025 00:36

I’d probably get more insight from talking to a brick wall.

She has seemed to take it in when people have raised it in the past but then turns it round that it’s actually everyone else who is wrong and unreasonable and I realised today she seems to think comments are from jealousy and she thinks her relationship with her daughter is something to be admired and aspired to.

I was going to give up but I had some great advice on the last post and when she said she’d meet me alone I thought I’d got through to her. She had obviously never intended to come alone in the first place.

I know it’s a horrible thing to say about a child and 8 is a difficult age, her daughter just isn’t pleasant to be around. It’ll be how she’s been brought up but she acts like she knows everything, interrupts, argues and gives her opinion on everything.

Zoey either tells her things about other peoples lives or she overhears but Cara asked me if my sister was still considering a divorce or if she had worked things out with her husband. I have never discussed this in front of Cara and I wouldn’t expect her to know or be interested about it.

I’m just glad I can have a rant on here because it’s hard to bring it up to other friends without sounding bitchy. I know one friend is a lot more sympathetic and she sticks up for Zoey and said we should all be a bit more understanding and patient and one day Cara won’t be interested in joining her mother and friends.

I was sticking it out waiting for that day to come but 8 is pretty old to still want to be tagging along and I’ve read posts on here about people taking their teens everywhere. I am done with it all now!

I actually think the stuff about Cara knowing about your sister's divorce may be the very very worst of Zoey's bad behaviour. If she disclosed this about your sister to her 8-year-old child - or even if she didn't take the utmost care to ensure her DD didn't overhear such sensitive info about another person - that is a horrible betrayal of confidence. It is down there with the 'intolerant child-hating bitch' comments as some of the lowest things you can say or do to a friend.

This is no friend of yours imo, it is up to you if you want to try to repair it but personally I wouldn't bother. She has shown her true colours.

I am sorry for you; but I am afraid I am even sorrier for Zoey's daughter and her future. Once her mother has driven all her own friends away she will be even more dependant on grooming her child as a stand-in friend. She is not pleasant to be around now and she will become progressively less pleasant as she gets older and is not taught appropriate behaviour. And 8 is not a difficult age.

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:45

WhatNoRaisins · 05/07/2025 15:38

I mean heaven forbid someone might want to talk through their troubles with someone that's supposed to be a trusted friend. Such odd and entitled behaviour these days 🙄

When I meet my friends I don't meet them with the intention of boring their arrest of telling them any problems I might have. The idea is to have fun and uplift each other.

Sounds bloody draining.

Utterlyconfusednow · 05/07/2025 17:46

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:45

When I meet my friends I don't meet them with the intention of boring their arrest of telling them any problems I might have. The idea is to have fun and uplift each other.

Sounds bloody draining.

Boring their what?

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:50

Utterlyconfusednow · 05/07/2025 17:46

Boring their what?

Arses.

WhatNoRaisins · 05/07/2025 17:51

Good friendships should be a mix of both surely? While it shouldn't be negative all the time it's not possible to be positive all the time.

Whatdoidotoday · 05/07/2025 17:54

Cara is going to have some severe mummy issues when she grows up.

Utterlyconfusednow · 05/07/2025 17:55

PassingStranger · 05/07/2025 17:50

Arses.

Ok. Her friend is (supposedly) intelligent enough to say she doesn’t want to meet without her child yes? That gives the OP the opportunity to not go.