Where are the trans men?

[BlueandPinkSwan]

Just that really, we are always hearing about men wanting to 'become women'. Phycially, mentally and emotionally impossible, but why aren't women rushing to do the same thing in reverse?
Just interested to know as I'm gender critical, and hate the patriarcal society we live in.
Is it because men wouldn't accept it as a trans man being part of their tribe but women are forced to put up with trans women invading /trying to enter into woman only spaces?

I’ve got contempt for any male who transcends any boundary or space that negatively impacts women. I don’t care whether that male feels like they are the manliest man ever, or whether they feel like they are a woman - whatever the fuck that means as no one can ever properly explain what this entails other than relying on regressive sex stereotypes.

As seen by this thread, no one really cares what females (transmen) do as everyone knows they are female and don’t pose as much of a risk to men as much as men pose to females, and other men.

So no. It’s not like that.

You’re getting yourself confused now!

…men in whatever form… so you’re admitting transwomen are men now?

Trans identifying women are less of a nuisance, that’s why they get less focus.

So you're saying that transmen are women. Which means I support those women too...

Yet you were claiming I only support men just.

See the problem?

And it is hateful and bigoted to tell people they aren't what they know they are and call them mentally ill

BTW the law doesn't say that transpeople don't exist. There are still protections for them in law. They can't be discriminated against on basis of being trans. It's also left people who've had surgery in an awkward position where they technically aren't allowed in the Male/Female toilets but their surgery means they wouldn't be accepted into the "correct" toilet either

@DownWhichOfLate

"But they don’t. They want to pretend to be something they aren’t AND want validation from everyone else. Whilst (as another poster said): fuck women’s rights! Because as long as you make sure men get what they want then you are doing the right thing! So utterly grim."

What's 'utterly grim'? People having a gender identity that's not concomitant with their biological sex? Why? It's just something that people feel about themselves. In some people it's a persistent, life long feeling. You can say 'you're wrong to feel that way' but that's a bit pointless isn't it? People feel how they feel. They can't help it. Or is the 'So utterly grim' directed at the idea of people living their life in such a way as to accommodate their gender dysphoria - to live in a way that they feel is true to themselves?

A friend of mine has a son who was born female. He transitioned years ago and is happily living his life as a trangender man, in a stable relationship and with the support of his family. I'm going to guess you would say this is 'utterly grim'. In what sense is it 'grim'?

No, I'm pointing out the flaws in you saying I only support men when we are discussing Transmen here, which in your opinion are women...

Transwomen are fighting for their rights just like women have throughout history...

I notice how I've highlighted some transmen who have succeeded over their "male" counterparts but still the argument is "transwomen are stealing from women and transmen don't"...

I’m only bothered about males being in women’s spaces, regardless of how one identifies. I don’t really care if women try to get in with men, or take part in their sports, or their changing rooms. If men have a problem with it I’m sure they’ll say (they don’t for all the reasons stated). So I’m only concerned with people having blind support for transwomen. I didn’t say you ‘only’ cared about men but it’s this part that’s the problem.

You ignored all the valid concerns about males being in women’s sports, prisons and rape
counselling sessions, or women victims of male
violence (including sexual violence) not being able to have their own space away from biological males (they rarely pass FYI) in the name of a fucking ideology which - like religion - no one has to believe in if they don’t want to nor be compelled to do so, and to shout ‘hate’ for the billionth time.

Its fucking disgraceful and the very definition of bigotry.

It’s utterly grim to shout at (mainly) women that we should shut up and put up with (mainly) men who have a trans ideology and should be accepted as the opposite sex. Then call people bigots if they don’t agree (which the law doesn’t). No one is saying men and women who “feel” like they are in the wrong body don’t exist. But feeling something isn’t being something. Being a sex isn’t a feeling.

Transpeople and their supporters aren't mainly men 🤣🤣🤣

The law still protects transpeople from discrimination as well btw

Well, yes, as there is a tiny overlap in strength between men and women. Infinitesimal, but exists. And so you will, very rarely, meet a woman who is stronger or faster than a man.

Trans man here. There's plenty of us about. Why you so obsessed with us? I even tricked a cis woman into marriage and regularly have sex with cis men. All the while standing with our trans sisters against unhinged fascists and looking handsome as we do it

Dear god the hyperbole!

I don't hate trans people. I just don't agree with their worldview.

I don't think the thing that is different between men and women is our minds.

I don't think pretending being female-bodied does not carry risks and social consequences so we don't need female only spaces and protections is fair on female people.

And I don't think it's reasonable that someone's self image as the opposite sex inside their own head should be taken as a truth in the world outside their own head, not when it starts to affect other people as well.

And the reason we don't hear the same issues around trans men is that in our society men have implicit privileges whereas women have explicit protections.

No one agrees that men can have privileges over women, it just happens because that is how we are socialised and how society is structured right now.

Whereas the protections for women are explicit - they were conscious decisions made within society and they are visible as a woman-only sign on the door or a woman-only event.

And because of that, trans women are able to go to whoever set that particular space or event up and challenge them in a way that trans men cannot do for male privileges. After all, trans men can't exactly appeal to the "Board of Patriachy" 😂 but joking aside, it is not a coincidence that the few male privileges that are explicitly written down, like the rules for inheriting a peerage, have been explicitly denied to trans men. (So the Board of Patriachy got a look in after all).

All this means that trans women's colonisation of female rights and protections is more visible, and has more serious repercussions, then trans men attempting to gain male privilege. And so that is where the attention has mostly been.

It's not because trans men are nicer because they are women. Some of the most toxic online voices are (young) trans men, and Stephen Whittle's clandestine backroom lobbying was hugely instrumental in undermining the democratic process. It's just that being women, as an overall group they have less power to throw around.

No you are openly admitting you have an issue with men

Transmen exist in men's sport too. Transwomen in sport goes back to the 1970s BTW, it's not a new topic.

Using "pass" is fucking gross and misogynistic because it literally causes issues for biological women who don't fit the socially acceptable look of women. Actual, biological women have been harassed in toilets because they don't look "feminine" enough and have been accused of being men. But I'm only supporting men right?

You are the disgusting bigot, seeking to dismiss people's experiences and actively harming women...

Firstly - transgender people are split roughly 50/50 between transgender women and transgender men.

Secondly - wtf has that got to do with the question I asked?

Nobody is shouting at you. I don't support anyone shouting at anyone.

I asked you why it was 'grim' for people to live their lives in such a way that they feel they're being true to their gender identity, when that gender identity is not concomitant with their sex. You come back with a comment about people shouting at women to 'shut up'. Do you know what demagoguery is? You're engaging in it in your posts on this subject, because you can't engage with the humanity of transgender people.

BTW - 'bigotry' means a person who is :obstinately attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group". You absolutely are antagonistic towards transgender women and anyone who supports them. Antagonistic to them as individuals BECAUSE they belong to a group. You ARE 'bigoted'.

I don't recall saying that. I was responding to someone who said the trans men they knew went into coaching.

So anyone who doesn’t agree with you is bigoted? No point in engaging further, is there? I won’t ever agree at TWAW, and you are determined they are. Ultimately, to me, a woman is based in biology. No idea what you think one is, and I doubt you could articulate it. I suppose if you can redefine woman / man, you can certainly redefine bigot.

You sound unhinged. I have a problem with boundary pushing men. I don’t have a problem with non-boundary pushing men. I know lots of lovely men. My stance would not change if any of them turned round tomorrow and said they were ‘a woman’. Fancy having a bash explaining on how a man turns into a woman?

Yet again, if you actually read anything rather than trying to reach your quota of how many times you can post ‘hate’ you see that if men have a problem with biological females in their sports I’m sure they’ll say. I don’t care how long trans women have been in female sports. It’s unfair and the tide is turning on that stance.

Humans have been able to correctly sex a person since the beginning of time. All these non gender conforming masculine looking women now facing problems is bollocks (pun intended). My exes auntie looks more like Keith Chegwin (probably before your time) than Keith Chegwin does, it’s clear she’s a woman up close and personal and the minute she opens her mouth.

It’s gross and misogynistic to dress in a regressive sex stereotypical way (dress, make up, heels) and say that makes you a woman!!

Ha I wish I was a bot and not having to read this regressive, straight from Reddit bullshit.

While I agree on the use of "passing", it's also worth noting that someone can only say "they rarely pass", because the ones that do, do. So you don't know they are trans. So it's a shit argument anyway.

@AccidentallyWesAnderson

Do you absolutely hate transgender women?

You sound like you do.

@AccidentallyWesAnderson

"It’s gross and misogynistic to dress in a regressive sex stereotypical way (dress, make up, heels) and say that makes you a woman!!"

Who's doing that then?

A small minority of transmen invade spaces etc. but if you're a straight cis woman, you're not likely to experience or hear of it, because it's generally the spaces of gay men.

I'm part of a LGBT+ group in London where we've had a number of incidents over recent years of transmen behaving inappropriately towards gay men, mainly in changing rooms after fitness classes, by acting in a manner that wouldn't be acceptable by another gay man. It's actually really bizarre, as some of the behaviour was such that no 'nontrans' woman would ever behave similarly to a straight man - it's as if they had a very warped view of how gay men act.

When you only have an issue with transwomen it's clear what your issue is

Transwomen are targeted because they are being used as scapegoats. Everyone argue about transwomen and ignore the real issues.

You are literally dismissing the documented issues of women who aren't considered "feminine enough".

And what I said was the opposite of "wearing a dress makes you a woman"

@spirit20 I'm 58. I remember when homophobia was less unfashionable than it is now, when stories about gay men/women coming on to straight men and women, and how embarrassing and horrible that was, were common currency among straight people. Times have changed, but the pleasure of trashing minority groups hasn't.

My issue is boundary pushing men. It’s there in black and white. I couldn’t be clearer. Transwomen are included in this as they are male. I’ve read a few accounts of transwomen who know fine well they are male and don’t use women spaces. All power to them.

Im all for women presenting as however they see fit, that’s what being GC is. Critical of gender, which is a made up concept. I don’t believe though that you can’t tell the sex of a non gender conforming masculine looking woman, up close and personal and again, as I’ve already stated, I don’t believe all these non gender conforming women are being accosted in droves as stated by TRA’s.

If I presented in such a way and I got accused of being a male in say a women’s bathroom it wouldn’t bother me one iota. I’d be pleased they were sticking up for their sex based rights.

So explain then how a man becomes a woman?

metro.co.uk/2025/05/27/a-stranger-questioned-gender-im-a-biological-woman-23258488/amp/

https://www.advocate.com/news/2022/11/01/cis-woman-mistaken-transgender-records-being-berated-bathroom#toggle-gdpr

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2022/8/17/23310668/school-investigates-female-athlete-transgender-complaint/

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/17/gender-police-trans-war-women

https://www.outsports.com/2025/5/21/24112102/madison-packer-womens-hockey-florida-bathroom-bill-trans-athletes/

Just because it doesn't bother you to get accused of being a man (and I suspect that if it actually happened then you'd be very upset and hurt) doesn't mean it doesn't happen and it isn't distressing. This isn't even all the news reports or comments from biological women who have been harassed and bullied because they don't conform.

Gender policing actively harms women. Congratulations on supporting a regime which is harmful to women. Well done for standing up for all those women. You did so well....

Console yourselves that all those nasty "men" have been stopped from entering a bathroom, which they could have done anyway