Where are the trans men?

[BlueandPinkSwan]

Just that really, we are always hearing about men wanting to 'become women'. Phycially, mentally and emotionally impossible, but why aren't women rushing to do the same thing in reverse?
Just interested to know as I'm gender critical, and hate the patriarcal society we live in.
Is it because men wouldn't accept it as a trans man being part of their tribe but women are forced to put up with trans women invading /trying to enter into woman only spaces?

So you’re now using “male” to describe a woman? Why do you play along with this? Get some self respect!

This is a crock of shit

Transmen are more likely to "pass" and so go unnoticed

Most Transwomen just want to get on with their lives without being bullied or scared or treated differently. But they are more likely to be attacked or demeaned so they have to be more vocal and fight. Funnily enough, the same struggle women go through. All the arguments about "shutting up and people wouldn't have an issue with them" have been used about women fighting for their rights.

There's also a certain misogyny in your comment about beauty pageants. "A woman who looked like that"... really?

I have plenty of self respect

Which is why I don't go around hating people or trying to tell them how to live their lives

Umm, you’re telling us we should buy in to the gender ideology and deny reality. No thanks.

You're freely admitting to wanting to make people uncomfortable and make their lives difficult and make them feel unaccepted?

There is no reality to deny. There is a reality to refuse to accept...

I know which side I'd rather be on and the hate filled side is not the one

I know of several
Dint know of any Trans women

To add to this, plenty of people do see transmen as men

Elliot Page isn't treated as an actress.

Ash Palmisciano from Emmerdale isn't an actress

Chris Mosier competed in 2016 for the men's team at the World Championships
Schuyler Bailar competed as a male swimmer
Patricio Manuel has boxing titles in the men's category

Transmen are equally there competing against cismen, and winning.

Statistically trangender men are just as common as transgender women.

But as a demographic they haven't garnered an obsessive following of haters who gather together on online boards to share stories of transgressive behaviours (in exactly the same way the far right are constantly sharing stories of crimes committed by brown people and Muslims) so they're simply less visible on social media and in the culture.

But women who feel uncomfortable, fuck them
eh.

The women in prison, the women who attended a rape crisis centre who couldn’t ask to
be reassured that they would receive sessions where they shared their rape experiences only with a biological female without being called a bigot, the women having their sporting success stolen by mediocre men, women of certain religions who don’t want to be in certain spaces with men. Or women who just don’t want to be around biological
men for privacy and dignity reasons. I could give other examples. Fuck all those women (the ones with vaginas) who refuse to indulge in a lie. THAT is hate.

The feelings and rights of a tiny minority override all
of them. Material reality isn’t as important as the FEELINGS of those men.

So yeah you stay on that side.

Ye, I will stay on the side of being inclusive and considerate and won't openly admit to being a hate filled bigot who only believes those who want to divide us

There are plenty of trans men. They’ve grown up without male privilege so don’t tend to demand their rights as forcefully. They pose no threat to men in any domain. They tend to “pass” more easily too. I suppose they’re just getting on with their lives.

It feels like you want to make anyone who doesn’t capitulate to this ideology feel uncomfortable and have their reality denied. And it’s trans people are the ones who don’t accept themselves.

You are the definition of bigot. Considerate to men only. Slow hand clap for you.

Transpeople do accept themselves

They accept that they are who they are inside

Bigots like you are the ones not accepting them

If you're uncomfortable it's because your hate and discrimination is being called out

And what the fuck is wrong with saying not all ( insert subject) are like that?
I see people saying NAMALT! You just said NAMALT! all the time on here like it's some gotcha but yeah...let's all tar everyone with the same brush shall we.

According to people on here Transmen are women, I accept them too so your logic fails on your bigoted description of people anyway

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It's MN

If you don't think all men are like that then you aren't "part of the sisterhood" and are wrong because all men are like that (even though it's actually a small number of men who are like that)

Women have pretty aggressively demanded their rights in the past...

Transmen slip under the radar in my opinion, they still behave like woman and slowly integrate without being noticed - so don't make waves or upset the apple cart

whereas the other way round the transwoman continue to behave true to form and create waves and don't intergrate, thus causing friction and upset but not understanding why

thats my own interpretation of the two different sides of the coin, I might be wrong as its anecdotal

Very strange as i mistakenly believed bring gender critical meant being critical of gender stereotyping. Naive of me ax that only goes one way it seems.

You can’t really comment on logic.

Transmen are women.
Transwomen are men.

You can’t change sex. The law says so. Not living or going along with one’s pseudo reality doesn’t make one hateful or bigoted, that isn’t going to wash anymore.

But they don’t. They want to pretend to be something they aren’t AND want validation from everyone else. Whilst (as another poster said): fuck women’s rights! Because as long as you make sure men get what they want then you are doing the right thing! So utterly grim.

On MN it does. It's only ok to criticise stereotypes around women. You can call men all the things under the sun and lump them into one all you like

Actually, there's quite a lot of "women feel this" and speaking for all women too...

You do EXACTLY what the far right do in relation to Asian men.

You find examples of awful transgressions by people who belong to this demographic. And you find examples of people not treating these transgressions in the way they should be treated - seriously, and with respect to the victims.

And you use this to justify your abject hatred and contempt for the entire group, even though deep down you must know that the vast majority of them, like the vast majority of Asian men, are people who are just trying to live their lives and aren't engaging in criminal behaviour.

There's a name for this. It's called demagoguery.

They aren't pretending anything.

You're now chosing to ignore transmen, which on your view are women, and the fact that I support them too

Or do they count as Men because your hate is directed towards men in whatever form you can find them in???