Where are the trans men?

[BlueandPinkSwan]

Just that really, we are always hearing about men wanting to 'become women'. Phycially, mentally and emotionally impossible, but why aren't women rushing to do the same thing in reverse?
Just interested to know as I'm gender critical, and hate the patriarcal society we live in.
Is it because men wouldn't accept it as a trans man being part of their tribe but women are forced to put up with trans women invading /trying to enter into woman only spaces?

Are you serious? Women are simply a sex class seperate from males, and this being reflected in law, does not discriminate against males, it is not hate, it is not bigotry, it is not calling them all sex offenders. Women had to fight very fucking hard for their rights, there was no opt out option, just as there isn't for women existing under taliban rule now. Seriously, grow up. Women do not owe it to males to move over, males need to sort their own shit out and accept women exist and they are not a feeling in a man's head or a validation tool for their identity.

I know a trans man; I don’t know any trans women.

There are plenty of trans men they are just not perceived as a threat in the same way as trans women by certain sectors of society so are less triggering and less newsworthy than trans women.

Honestly I’m accustomed to unisex toilets and see this as a complete non issue.

Trans men dont represent any more of a physical threat to women than other women do . So women leave them alone .

They don't represent a physical or sexual threat to men and they don't take opportunity from men in terms of sport etc. So men don't mind them. In fact any risk posed is from men to transmen.

They also despite presenting themselves as men , pretty much operate as women,ie, not aggressively.
This contrasts with trans women who utterly "out" their maleness by the aggression and beligerence they show ( particularly towards women who speak up) when they are crossed.

The majority of trans women of my acquaintance are just quietly living their lives. They are almost all in therapy to address the trauma in their lives before transitioning which has lead to long term depression and anxiety and for many the loss of their entire families.Nobody would choose to transition if there was any other choice.

Nobody would choose to transition if there was any other choice.

That might have been the case in the past, but looking at Suzie/Eddie Izzard in the queue for the ladies, Jordan Grey playing the piano with his cock, Grace Laverty and his Heartbreaking Work of Staggering Penis and Pips Bunce with his aternating woman and man days, there seem to be plenty of men out there now who have lept lightly and joyfully into the role.

Yet they don't appear to be doing much to take on the people behind these acts - are they?

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The debate is dominated by radical TRAs. The 'quietly living their lives' people might have a think about how the movement looks to others.

The ask for women is that they accept all 'transwomen' into their spaces. Not just the nice ones.

Deluded.

Your choice, fine, but you don't get to give away all women's rights singlehandedly.

This!

Everyone has a dominant gender identity. It’s not a preference, it’s not something you can change just because you feel like it- it’s just how you’re wired.
Trans people have a lot to contend with and most will just be getting on with that.

And yes it feels like an obsession by some on here to pick, pick, pick.

Not kind

Female mammals have bodies which from conception are organised around the production of large gametes, i.e. eggs, and the development of a female reproductive system. Even if something goes wrong developmentally or medically, that individual will always be female, not male. We can no more identify out of our sex than we can opt out of gravity. It makes no more sense to say 'I identify as female' than it would say 'I identify as tall/20/Black/a wheelchair user' or anything else which an individual manifestly isn't. No one can identify out of material reality.

Odd how the gender ideologues who come over here to scold us from Reddit etc always think #bekind is a winning line. Female socialisation is how trans-identifying males got into women's spaces and services to start with, but we are wise to it now. We are interested here in the problems it causes when gender is prioritised over sex. It's more important to be honest and use accurate language than pander to hurty feelings.

In the face of this ...

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Remember to be kind ladies

No, everyone doesn’t have a dominant ‘gender identity’. I certainly don’t. I’m just a woman. I don’t feel like I’m a woman, I just am. I’ve never had to argue the toss that I am one.

What is a gender identity anyway, alone a dominant one?

Of course we can identify out of our sex. Same as we can identify out of nationality or anything else really. You don’t get to dictate what goes on in the brains of others. We have an assigned biological gender that we were given at birth and we also have a gender we identify with which for most matches. I have nothing but empathy and support for those whose gidentified gender doesn’t match with their assigned gender.

It’s kindness and how we support those people that matters not continual obsessive political rhetoric by some. Of course that will all be ignored by the zealots but it goes both ways. Those of us with kindness and empathy for others particularly those who have had a rough ride can and will focus on that not a political hobby horse.

For you. You don’t get to decide for other women who don’t want biological men in their spaces. Consent isn’t transferable.

I work in mental health care. I have come across a number of women who now identify as men. These women had trauma from sexual violence from men in their adolescence. They appear to have decided to identify as men to make themselves less attractive TO men.

We have a sex, observed at birth, often known long before then. It's not assigned.

Why does so called 'kindness' from women need to involve opening their sex segregated spaces / services / sports to a group of men? Thus undermining their own safety, dignity and opportunities?

I think that is sadly very true

*Is it because men wouldn't accept it as a trans man being part of their tribe but women are forced to put up with trans women invading /trying to enter into woman only spaces?"

Transmen are more common than trans women I believe.

Women have been going into men's spaces like toilets and changing rooms for years ( some countries have even established their legal right to do so ) so transmen using them is nothing new.....

The issue here is not so much what an individual believes about himself/herself. It's whether the rest of us are compelled to behave as if we believe it too and suffer adverse consequences if we don't. No other type of disordered thinking is treated as a civil rights rather than a psychological issue. In this case also, we have the adverse consequences of allowing gender to trump sex. Safeguarding is impossible. Women, children, people with disabilities, frail elderly people and lesbians, gay men and bisexuality people all lose hard-won protections. Where's the kindness to them?

Why the need to be so black and white?

You know it is possible to sort out difficulties and sticking points without being so dogmatic and dictatorial as regards what goes on in the brains of others.

Because laws, safeguarding, conducting ourselves in a civilised society require clear definitions, rules, guidelines.

Why do you think this one specific group of men should get access to women's spaces and services when no other men do?