Tom Felton getting stick. Is this really the world we live in now?

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Whatever your stance is on trans issues do people really have nothing better to do than verbally slaughter him for choosing to continue within the franchise and being honest that he has no strong opinions on the matter? He's a big boy now and I'm sure he can handle himself but it makes me terrified for the young actors who are also already being subjected to this as well.

I myself was also pretty much forced to remove a post on a facebook group congratulating one of the young actors on being cast in the TV series as some of the vitriol I received completely overpowered the positive intention of the post. I said nothing inflammatory just pointed out that not everyone disagrees with JK's opinions and that we need to be accepting of opinions which are different to our own.

I'd understand the backlash if JK or so called TERFS were spreading genuine hate or encouraging persecution of a group but I just don't see that. IMO whatever your views on gender identity are there's way more horrible and important things going on in the world. Is a lot of trans-activisim really just a way for young people to express their very valid dissatisfaction with the world in general in a reasonably safe way? Honestly maybe I'm getting old and boring but I just don't get it.

You've claimed on other threads to be a "physician" in Ireland.

Can I ask, in all seriousness, do you honestly believe that people are magically transformed from one sex to another? (also, how is that done?)

Or do you perhaps believe in all this "boy brain" and "girl brain" stuff?

Or do you, perhaps, believe that it is a mental illness for some and a sexual fetish for others?

I am genuinely interested to understand what you, as a "physician", actually believe is reality when it comes to trans identifying people.

Would you care to share your beliefs with us?

So basically having no opinion on it is now hate. The only opinion you’re allowed to have is to accept/support them. It’s not ok simply not to give a shit. Gotcha.

Such an entitled, self important, toxic bunch.

I won’t “note” anything of the sort. This is about women’s sex based rights. Dissenting women’s rights matter too. Not every woman needs to agree with the statements of basic fact and fairness which underpin the gender critical feminist movement, to make it a pro-women movement. Not all women are feminists. Not all women supported (or support) legal changes that allow women to participate fully in public life.

You appear to be making claims you can’t back up. Only one side in this has been funded (to the tune of $millions) and arguably manipulated (men told they are the most vulnerable people in the world) and it’s not the side of women.

Do get your facts straight. Women are not the ones bullying, lying, manipulating organisations and getting people sacked for their factual beliefs.

Google is your friend. Start by looking up the Arcus Foundation and consider that an American organisation felt the need to give Stonewall large amounts of money to promote trans ideology. Then look at the exponential growth of the global ‘trans’ medication/surgery market. Yes, even in this country where surgeons and doctors are profiting enormously from removing healthy organs from young people.

Is he being “harassed” or being criticised online?

I agree - I know people say they should use their platform but it's really better for them as well as us if they keep their mouths firmly shut on anything controversial!

So called Trans Women hectoring, bullying and threatening violence against those who disagree with them just proves they are, and always will be men.

I think multiple nasty and potentially defamatory articles written about him by activist ‘journalists’ clearly hoping to cost him work and reputation constitutes harassment, yes.

A flavour of the hyperbole:

“Tom Felton, however, is actively choosing to ignore the elephant in the room. It's disingenuous to pretend that Rowling's statements don't affect him, especially since her very comments endanger the lives of people in the trans and queer community, many of whom are his fans. To me, this implies that Tom cares more about collecting a paycheck than standing up for trans rights, which are human rights, and I desperately need him to do better.”

Yes. Hence the topic of discussion.

To be fair to him, he has

Yes to which one?

What is nasty or defamatory about that?

Why don’t you have a look for yourself.

Oh dear. You’ve been arguing on the side of the trans activists for so long that you’ve normalised nastiness and can no longer identify it. Says a lot.

I think JKR has been quite nasty at times. I have some serious issues with gender ideology. But I also have a lot of compassion for trans individuals. I think JKR has lost that along the way.

That being said, Tom Felton has been offered the perfect role for him and he’s taken it. Good for him.

Can you give an example of when she's 'lost compassion for trans people'?

Or indeed when she’s been “nasty”.

It’s the tired old “both sides are as bad as each other” argument.

Yeah I get the harassment point, but I can't be the only person who actually thinks better of Tom Fenton the more of this crap I read. Like reverse defamation.

Can you name the individuals who you think she has been nasty to?

Because I only ever see her pushback on male people who have been abusive to her. Do you think she should ignore the abuse from
those individuals and just absorb the abuse and treat them as if they are not being abusive?

Can you provide examples of her being nasty please?

Perhaps that's what happens though when you make it your life's mission to ruin somebody because they believe that somebody born with male organs shouldn't be allowed in female only spaces. She has the right to fight back, in fact she almost has no choice, and I still don't see anything she's written that is actually persecuting trans people. You can be loving and respectful to somebody and refuse to pander to their fantasies. It's the grown up version of a toddler telling their parent they're a bird. They might go along with it and say 'that's nice dear' but they sure as hell aren't going to let them jump out of a top floor building to see if they can fly! Apparently according to the poll on this thread JK isn't the only one with concerns either.

I wonder if some people ignore the direct abuse JK Rowling receives from individuals, and indeed the sexual harassment she has received for years. Like the dick pics that male people posted to her in the twitter thread for the Ickabog thread she created for children.

She is abused constantly, people even protested at the gate of her family home.

Yet I have not seen her be ‘nasty’. I have seen her be very direct with people who have been abusive to her in the past. I have seen her mock India Willoughby, who was initially just abusive but now has abusing her as one of his main focuses on social media. I guess one could say she was nasty to him, but then they obviously have ignored the hatred he has been pushing her way. Including attempting to get her arrested for hate crimes.

But nasty in general? I would like to see why this has been said.

She has only been direct (never nasty) to trans activists and individuals who have been nasty to her. For example India who wanted to hold her hostage and says the most vile things about her. Some of these trans activists are really what I call trans terrorists, they are hateful, vicious and very violent in their abuse and threats towards JK. Suggesting JK is the nasty one is complete and utter DARVO. I think she started off very compassionate - too much so, some would say, but over time has no fucks left to give. And who can blame her? With the abuse, rape threats and death threats she gets. She's been too nice for far too long. She is ASSERTIVE. Not nasty.

“Tom Felton, however, is actively choosing to ignore the elephant in the room. It's disingenuous to pretend that Rowling's statements don't affect him, especially since her very comments endanger the lives of people in the trans and queer community, many of whom are his fans. To me, this implies that Tom cares more about collecting a paycheck than standing up for trans rights, which are human rights, and I desperately need him to do better.”

That paragraph positions Tom Felton as someone who supports ‘endangering’ an entire community of people. And that he will recklessly do so for money. That he will ignore human rights violations for financial gain. This paragraph portrays Tom Felton as being highly immoral.

This paragraph also puts the onus on Tom Felton to work towards the political aims of the writer, and not Tom’s own aims? Why should Tom Felton be obligated to achieve this writer’s political aims?

Felton should be speaking to his lawyer

Well apparently not keating. Apparently there is nothing to see here.