"We could and should have found a reasonable way for both sides to feel okay about all this before it went mad and that would have stopped it all going mad."
You know, the more I think about this statement, the more incredulous I feel that someone actually believes this. The topic was well under discussion in the 2000s. On MN, there was push back from posters even as early as 2010 on feminists stating that no male person can ever change sex and that female people needed single sex provisions that excluded male people.
The censuring of women's voices has a very long history on this topic. And the 2019 Denton's report specifically stated as one of the strategies for achieving goals in government and NGOs stated 'Be wary of compromise'. page 21
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To make such a statement above, really shows the level of misinformation that there is in the current on line discussions. I have seen since the Supreme Court judgement that there are extreme trans activists * declaring that women have only been raising the issue recently. Before that women were accepting of male people in spaces etc.
No fucking way. It was discussed before then. But from about 2015 Stonewall took on its role in representing transgender interests. It is when the 'no debate' really took hold.
In at least two court cases over the past 3 - 4 years, extreme transgender activists in roles of power of women (who may or may not have been people with transgender identities) said under oath in court that women are allowed to think anything they want. However, there is no possible way, in their mind for a woman to express the belief that no male person can be a female person. One of those people was part of the Dr Upton case just months ago, saying that there was no way that Sandie Peggie could say that Upton should not be using a female NHS changing room without being considered hateful and transphobic.
And yet, we are told that "We could and should have found a reasonable way for both sides to feel okay about all this before it went mad and that would have stopped it all going mad.". When women are still not even able to be able to say in their workplace that they need a single sex space to remain single sex.
There really is no symmetry between women who have been silenced for so long, who cannot even have a meeting to discuss these issues. Meetings have regularly either been cancelled because the venue has succumbed to pressure from extreme transgender activists, or drowned out by music or as in one instance people bashing on glass windows and scaring women with the violence of it all, or blocking entrance into the meet up, or protesting when inside to disrupt the meeting.
There really is no symmetry when lesbians are being banned or limited from campaigning or marching for their specific needs, as female people from LGBT+ events. Even in 2018, Munroe Bergdorf told women that they should not be centring female reproductive needs in a Women's March because it was exclusionary.
But apparently...
"We could and should have found a reasonable way for both sides to feel okay about all this before it went mad and that would have stopped it all going mad."
*Extreme trans activists are those who are demanding additional privileges for male people with transgender identities. And by 'additional privileges' I mean privileges that are not available to any other male person, such as being able to access not only male people's rights and provisions, but also female rights and provisions. This sub group have different aims to the trans activists who are rightfully campaigning to be not discriminated against in their work place so that they don't get jobs, or housing etc.