Tom Felton getting stick. Is this really the world we live in now?

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Whatever your stance is on trans issues do people really have nothing better to do than verbally slaughter him for choosing to continue within the franchise and being honest that he has no strong opinions on the matter? He's a big boy now and I'm sure he can handle himself but it makes me terrified for the young actors who are also already being subjected to this as well.

I myself was also pretty much forced to remove a post on a facebook group congratulating one of the young actors on being cast in the TV series as some of the vitriol I received completely overpowered the positive intention of the post. I said nothing inflammatory just pointed out that not everyone disagrees with JK's opinions and that we need to be accepting of opinions which are different to our own.

I'd understand the backlash if JK or so called TERFS were spreading genuine hate or encouraging persecution of a group but I just don't see that. IMO whatever your views on gender identity are there's way more horrible and important things going on in the world. Is a lot of trans-activisim really just a way for young people to express their very valid dissatisfaction with the world in general in a reasonably safe way? Honestly maybe I'm getting old and boring but I just don't get it.

I was fully aware of all of that, but disagree with your final paragraph, and in your penultimate para, "eventually" is not the right word. I think you should read what I said again, in particular the bits about funding and manipulation.

I’m really sorry to read this, I hope you are receiving support if you feel you need it.

You think that women have been funded to campaign for their rights to be considered for the single sex provisions that they need?

Who by please? Because I can tell you who has been 'funding' the campaigns in the UK, women. Funding from the grass roots level with whatever they can spare.

And can you explain further who it is that is manipulating us please?

Do you think that women are being manipulated into taking their cases to court? Is it that we are being manipulated to reject that any male person can be a girl or a women and that we should accept that there is a group of people who are male people when they say they are female, we should accept that?

Who is being manipulated and how?

Who do you think has been doing the funding?

Why do you not agree with my final paragraph?

This is an article about Jo Phoenix's case, which she won.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/28/jo-phoenix-open-university-court-victory-gender-sex-based-womens-rights

"First, while the courts have already observed that campaigners who want gender identity to override sex are quick to accuse their opponents of being transphobic or hateful when they’re not, I have never seen a judge so clearly call out the sleight-of-hand assertion that the belief that sex is relevant to some parts of life is bigoted, or to deny the existence of trans people. There is a difference between defending important legal protections against discrimination on the basis that someone is trans – which Phoenix happens to robustly support – and the right of someone to impose their personal belief that gender identity transcends their sex on everyone else to the extent we are all forced to agree that sex can be divorced from reality."

Are you arguing that Jo Phoenix was manipulated?

Are you arguing that she should have kept quiet and amended her academic work to comply with the beliefs of people who think that sex is irrelevant?

The reason we are asking is because you have made some heavy accusations here.

Because if women are being horribly manipulated and there is money being spent that we didn’t know we had access too, that is really very concerning.

I really think you should just read what I wrote, which was abundantly clear. The fact that the court case had to happen in the first place is madness - but if you are suggesting that the madness could not have been avoided and that the polarity of both sides contributed to the escalation then you are wrong.

So you are asking me the wrong questions, basically.

That’s disgusting. I’m sorry you were attacked twice, by the filthy man who raped you and then by his contemptible supporters. I hope you’re recovering now.

There haven't been accusations but if you want to know more about funding, google is your friend.

But most of us don't shout rape and murder threats at people we disagree with, nor try to cancel them or ruin their careers. But TRAs do all of that. Category error here, I think.

@ChunkingDreamer I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope you are ok and have good support irl 💐.

How? In this particular case what was Jo Phoenix supposed to do?

Who was she supposed to appeal to if not the courts?

These TRAs are really scraping the bottom of the barrel on this one. The level of entitlement they radiate should not surprise me and yet somehow it still manages to.

I'm thrilled that TF is reprising his role as Draco was always my favourite film character, unlike Harry who I always found to be something of a wet lettuce.

Ok. What are the ‘right’ questions because you don’t seem want to clarify what you have said.

Can you clarify what is the polarised feminist view at least please?

If you want to make an argument, quotes, links and references are your friend.

You have made accusations that the ‘side’ of women has been ‘funded’, how?

And that we have been manipulated.

They are accusations whether you intended to accuse or not.

Fifty years ago my fellow lefties* were accused of working for ‘Moscow gold’ or ‘Peking gold’. I never saw a penny of it and don’t know anyone who did. Now it seems my fellow feminists are supposedly being funded, presumably from somewhere equally untraceable. We’re all pretty clueless if we were expecting to get any financial benefit!

*I mean actual left wingers, in those days. Not today’s gender ideologues.

Actually, I didn't make an argument. I said what I thought. And this is something else I think - if you cannot see that both sides are polarised, then the chances are you are on one of the polarised sides. And in this situation "polarised" also means "unreasonable". And it would be a complete waste of my time to engage with people who are unreasonable. So, if you want answers to all your questions, accept it will require an epiphany, dig deep and find out. Best of luck to you.

I'm sure their attacks on his character will convince him to see the light.

if you cannot see that both sides are polarised,
Sex is either binary or it isn't. Sex is either immutable or it isn't. Sex matters or it doesn't. There is no middle ground.

And what you thought will forever remain a mystery.

Just that both sides are polarised, but you can't explain further.

This does give the unfortunate impression that you don't know what you are talking about.

See above my answer to your friend. I am making just one more comment then leaving you to it, and that is, please note that you are not on the "side of "women" and that all women think the same on every single point - we don't - there are as many opinions as there are women and this is how it should be. For example, I agree with some of what your groups says, but not everything.

The fact that you think that you represent all women in every respect and that you all tend to write as a homogeneous group without much fallout indicates that there has been some manipulation/polarisation.

The funding is a slightly different point.

I will leave you to it now.

I'm not on the side of women or men, and that's not the crux of the issue either (as much as I care very much about women and our rights).

I am on the side of right and truth. That's it.

Unfortunately it is the world we live in now @User012389.

To a very small number of people, all that matters is your view on trans.

If that is your view, that is fine, as in, you are entitled to your view, and I disagree, and that is fine.

I apologise for saying the bit about it requiring an epiphany and you'd need to dig deep, that was rude of me. What I meant was - you seem to be quite entrenched in your views and it takes time to engage, and I don't have that time. Sorry for being rude though. (I don't want to become polarised!)