To want to know what you're sick of about men !

[GingerPussInBoots]

OK, OK its not all men

But this comment on another thread ade me laugh so much and I seriously related, anything else you'd like to add?

sick of road rage, space entitlement and harassment.
at work sick of seeing my male peers get more senior roles, especially when it’s over brilliant women

Males on average put in a lot more hours at work and are therefore more likely to get promotions

Males on average put in a lot more hours at work...

so that they can avoid doing a fair share of the domestic labour.

No, it's because they have no choice as they are generally responsible for the majority of the household bills. If you think that men are hanging around longer in the office so that they don't have to do a bit of washing up you're deluded

sort of my point. Men not being impacted by time out for mat leave or moving to part time to raise families. Not having to balance the mental load and be the primary carer. Society and the workplace not adjusting to modern needs where both parents usually work.

In my experience women are only too happy to move to part time work to spend time with kids. Most men would love to be able to work part time and spend more time at home with the kids but they don't have that option as usually they are the higher earner so they have no choice but to continue to slog away at a high pressure job until they're 70.

What is so good about spending 40+ hours in an office every week? That's not a better option than working part time and spending much more time with your children.

Lol. Have you ever worked in an office? It's a common joke that staying late gets you out of the early evening chaos of dinner, baths and bedtime. If you really think some of them couldn't be home a lot sooner if they cut down on the faffing about, schmoozing, chats about the football, long lunches and after work drinks, then you're the deluded one.

Because y'all are a burden. Even in the households where women have a shorter working day, they're doing the vast majority of the childcare. In addition to doing the vast majority of the domestic labour.

Be clear, we can do life just fine. If men are a burden and the burden outweighs the benefit of having them around, we'll just go it alone. Life is a lot easier, even as a single parent, without the addition of a man-child.

Time to do adulting right rather than using a woman as an unpaid servant. Or become part of that large statistic of men who are divorced by their fed up, overburdened wife.

A bit of washing up? Okay. Time to head off back to your mum's basement now. I'm sure if you look hard enough you'll be able to find a subreddit where you can make some friends of your own...

Yes I have for 20+ years and not once has a man been waiting in the office "faffing around" late until their kids go to bed s they don't have to do anything at home. You do realise that most men actually want to see their kids and spend time with them. Having to work late in an office in order to bring in enough money to pay the bills is a huge sacrifice. This situation will never be reversed as most women would never accept a situation where the man is at home with the kids whilst she is slogging away at the office until 9pm at night in order to pay the mortgage

I've also worked in offices for 30+ years, including managing teams of men. So, tell me, what in your experience are 'most' men doing there until 9pm exactly? Because if any of my team was doing this on a regular basis I'd be concerned that it indicated a lack of competence for the role/poor time management or both. I'm not suggesting there aren't men who've chosen to sacrifice work/life balance for big salaries, but its by no means 'most' who do this.

I'm not saying most men work until 9pm in the office most of the time, however it is a fact that on average men work longer hours. My point was that men aren't staying in the office late in order to avoid seeing their kids or doing any housework. If they're in the office late it is generally because they have to

This is exactly why I encouraged my dp to take early retirement, he'd clocked up enough pension for himself after years of hard work. I'm much younger so, I'll continue to work two jobs for another 10 years yet!

It does help to have someone at home when you still have dependents and elderly parents, it shouldn't matter what sex they are. Women can work hard and earn, and men can be brilliant caretakers.

Moody sulking. Not listening and then doing the opposite of what you asked. Putting everything off. Offering to go food shopping then asking you what to buy and demanding a list.

It's pretty well-known that in the happiness hierarchy, married men are happier than single men, but single women are happier than married women. So it's not at all clear that women "get a great deal" and "should be more grateful".

Apt.

That's a very simplistic view of a complicated question and not actually supported by data when it's looked into properly. And even if there was some truth in it, it doesn't mean it's anything to do with men, it can be down to womens unrealistic expectations.

One argument can be that young single women can have much lower levels of stress than young men as they're not really under the same pressure to build their finances up and get a high status position, get on the property ladder, women can just focus on having fun and getting taken out on dates. Then when the woman gets married and have kids all of a sudden they're under a lot of pressure they're not use to whereas men have been used to dealing with pressure previously so it's less of a shock to them.

That I don't put off until tomorrow what I can do today, but if they can put off something until tomorrow, they definitely won't do it today. Unless there is something in it for them or it is important for their own wellbeing. Just get on with it.

They may do more paid work but if you added in the unpaid labour that keeps our society working and is utterly undervalued womens efforts would dwarf men’s.

My friend used to get the park and ride to work in a nearby city. On the way back a large proportion of women would get off the bus first and run to their cars. No man ever did. One man even asked my friend I’m mystified tones “why do the women run?” Unbelievable. Blissfully ignorant of nursery / childminder pick up deadlines. They don’t know they’re born.

Could you please link to the evidence supporting the argument in your second paragraph?

(I know there will be some and it's not just your simplistic view of a complicated question, not supported by data. I'm sure you will have looked into it properly.)

It is also the case that men on average work over an hour a day more than women

Why do you think this is, if it’s even true?

-because women usually have to drop off and pick up their children from school/childcare, interrupting their working day and being negatively affected while the man’s career remains completely unaffected despite being the co-parent??

We need to stop feeding this troll. He's completely hijacked what was a really good thread - which was probably his aim. Don't give him the attention. He'll be back to school on Monday and probably has some homework he needs to be doing anyway.

There's plenty of men at school drop off and pick up.

Do you think that in general most women would want to spend more time in the office and less time with their children?

It's not trolling if it's factual. Imagine if there was a thread from men mindlessly slagging off women, I'm sure you'd have plenty to say about it

I’m sick of men who mean absolutely nothing to me thinking I give a shit about anything they think, say or do. I really don’t care.
I’m not interested in your opinion mate. No, I don’t want to talk or engage with you. I’m not interested in your dog or kid either.
I have my own family and friends and I don’t need anything from you.