To want to know what you're sick of about men !

[GingerPussInBoots]

OK, OK its not all men

But this comment on another thread ade me laugh so much and I seriously related, anything else you'd like to add?

Source: “Dude - Trust Me”.

So - to my question?

The astounding entitlement to our undivided attention at any hour they demand.

DH just walks in the door after a day of golf. I work from home, but somehow I'm a bad wife if I don't talk to him or listen to his golf adventure.

"I'm working," is apparently the rudest thing ever to erupt from anyone's mouth.

Can the posters trying to “women do it too” please stop. You are embarrassing yourselves. We know women arent perfect but the sheer weight of the stats and how society is set up for the benefit of men is impossible to argue with. It is not the same.

My friends with teen and young adult sons worried sick about knife crime. Boy on boy obviously.

If a man 'becomes upset' that he is being criticised by a woman, he has choices. Either he improves himself so that the point of criticism is no longer valid, or, if he feels the criticism unfounded, he can leave. When women are shouted at in the street (from the age of 13) what are our options? Stay in?

So what? Really? Your claims about women's behaviour you've seen on nights out and/or in Magaluf are completely irrelevant to the fact countless numbers of women have been shouted at by men from the age of around 13 and continue to have this happen into middle age and beyond. Not just on adult nights out or in resorts known for stag/hen do's, but while exercising, pushing prams, wearing school uniform. Find me the stats for 13 year old boys catcalled by women. The dads accosted by women in the park when they're with their DC. The number of men who've had women shouting 'show us your dick darling' on his way to work. Or 'oi fat bastard' yelled at him by a car full of gaffawing women when he's running. Then we can start to compare like with like.

yes they do get mugged and assaulted by MEN

@Chiseltip

maybe some men are sick of men as a sex class too. Is that what you’re saying by stating men get assaulted and mugged too!

Do the men on here in a huff about the thread actually have anything to say about the subject matter - bad behaviour by men? Because at the moment it's all a bit like going on a thread about fatal dog attacks to point out your neighbour's cat shits in your garden.

Great post @5128gap

I remember my eldest dd when she was about that age

Men would openly gawp at her,get in her space and make comments

She would walk home from school,in her uniform and they would shout comments at her and follow her down the street

They'd wolf whistle and try to talk to her-in her bloody school uniform

My younger dd is gay-she has a lovely girlfriend

The amount of men that have told her they could 'turn her straight if you sit on my cock' is unreal

Both women (as they are now) have had to put up with the same crap I've had to put up with my whole life

There are no consequences,no real social pressure to change,their peers don't tell them to pack it in,the police are worse than crap (they 'have a word' which does nothing)

I remember being out with her and her girlfriend a few years ago and a group of teenage lads randomly asked her how old she was

She answered '16' and they just roared 'LEGAL!' at her and tried to get her to sit with them,while pawing at her (she just froze)

I went mental and they did look sheepish but that wasn't the point-they had no right to even look at her,let alone touch her or make comments

Nothing has changed

They are disgusting.

Well... a good provider is so important though...

The need to centre themselves in every conversation.

Source: this thread and any other thread about the impact of male behaviour on women and girls.

Not the OP but I think it's important to note that you can have some wonderful men in your life who you love, respect and value and still recognise that we live in a patriarchal society that is fundamentally unfair and detrimental to women and girls in many ways.

My DH and our male friends are not guilty of the behaviours outlined on this thread but they wouldn't feel the need to interject with "but it's not ALL men!!" during any conversation about VAWG or sexism in the workplace. They acknowledge that male privilege exists and that they benefit from it. They call out misogynistic comments from other men when they hear them. They certainly wouldn't feel the need to pretend that misogyny doesn't exist and is all in the minds of women, as some posters on this thread seem intent on doing.

You can know that some men are great and still recognise that there are widespread problems with male behaviour in our society. Just like the fact that I don't consider myself racist doesn't mean that I can legitimately claim racism isn't a massive problem.

No it’s like going on a thread about why people hate dogs and pointing out not all breeds are the same and not all dogs will shit in the house or bite your face off.

this happens on dog threads and no one criticises the NADALT people

The mansplaining..

Why are these posters repeatedly "pointing out" something that the OP herself has already pointed out in her OP?

I think if people did that on Dog threads there would, understandably, be some criticism.

It's not necessary.

Ah mansplaining 101.

No that analogy would be used for the NAMALTing. I chose my analogy specifically in response to the attempts to distract from male problem behaviour by setting up false comparisons with women's behaviour. Countering male VAWG stats with anecdotes about women they saw shouting at men on a night out is the equivalent of saying "Fatal dog attacks don't mean there's a problem with dogs. A cat once shat in my herbaceous border, so I think you'll find we have a problem with PETS"

People are literal mammals, we live under a VERY thin veneer of civilisation, don't kid yourself that you would never resort to violence, the truth is that it wouldn't take very much at all.

Now some dogs are just fucking dangerous, and no amount of training or socialisation can fix it. People aren't too different, we think we are, but some people are also just fucking dangerous, they are the XL Bullies of the world.

Men, as mammals, are more physical, violent and more prone to aggression than we are, not much more, but enough to make it noticeable. And a handful, a tiny percentage of men, are predisposed to extreme violence, and they don't care who they target. We also have a tiny proportion of violent women in prison too, it's not just men.

It's that tiny percentage of extremly violence that the majority of both men and women have to fear. So yeah, I think men are also sick of male violence, but that violence is more inate and animalistic.

Ah ok, and in that I do agree somewhat. If people do try and make out vawg and violence against men are equal in terms of numbers and severity then that’s not correct, and minimises the impact on, and risk to, women.

when people say or imply all men act a certain way, or that no women are violent against men, that should rightly get highlighted as nonsense though.

to further your analogy, on a cat thread, people come on and say the cats never do that, or if they did it must be the dogs fault, or the dog issue is so huge we shouldn’t look at the cats.

So hopefully the weeding out of the genes that create violent men through natural selection (incels not breeding) will gradually rid the human race of men with violent tendencies. That plus a harsh and firm socialisation of male children. And a lot of that socialisation needs to come from men. Leading by example.

Men know they need to call out other men’s bad behaviour but they are too cowardly to do so

It’s a basic necessity if you want a family, no?