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Netflixandchill25 · 15/05/2025 22:13

I’m starting to find all these deals between Trump and the dodgy Middle East nations quite scary. Latest being the AI deal with Abu Dhabi.

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PrimitivePerson · 16/05/2025 01:12

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/05/2025 01:10

You don't think a multi billionaire who controls where people get their 'news' funding a far right party isn't terrifying?

All it'll do is split the Reform/Tory vote even further. I'm good with that, thanks.

Odras · 16/05/2025 01:13

At least the deals with the Middle East give the message that it is trade but war that the US wants.

I’m very worried about his treatment of allies like Canada and the EU. The world order is shifting and things are unpredictable. I’m most worried about his moves within the US. I think we are watching authoritarianism take hold. And with the US becoming isolationist, it will end up having a very large impact on our lives.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 16/05/2025 01:15

Ilovelifeverymuch · 16/05/2025 01:07

He was considered a terrorist and led bombing campaigns attacks.

He was literally removed from the terrorist list in 2008 😂

https://www.whitehouse.senate.gov/news/release/kerry-corker-whitehouse-announce-nelson-mandela-will-be-removed-from-terror-watch-lists/

I don't agree because I think he was fighting for his country but he was officially considered a terrorist by the USA and the UK etc.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/from-terrorist-to-tea-with-the-queen-1327902.html

"The ANC is a typical terrorist organisation ... Anyone who thinks it is going to run the government in South Africa is living in cloud-cuckoo land' - Margaret Thatcher, 1987

Let's add a little dose of racism: "How much longer will the Prime Minister allow herself to be kicked in the face by this black terrorist?' - Terry Dicks MP, mid-1980s

The ANC Thatcher condemned as a terrorist organization has been in power in South Africa since Mandela became president.

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Who was calling him a terrorist? That's right, a bunch of colonisers and their sympathisers.

Weepixie · 16/05/2025 01:15

Netflixandchill25 · 15/05/2025 22:26

Like, is he going to start WW3? With the UAE as his allies?!

Dodgy Middle East nations?

You mean as dodgy as every other nation

With the UAE as his allies?

Are you aware of how few Emiratis there actually are including babes in arms and the elderly?

Verbena17 · 16/05/2025 01:16

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/05/2025 01:12

DOGE just means make random departments redundant while waving a chainsaw. It might be fun for an hour but it won't be when the consequences hit.

surely you don’t think Elon & his team went in and found out all that in 100 days?
As President Trump said years ago…..”We caught them all”.
They’re just showing the people (in slow time) who aren’t ‘awake’ yet what’s really been going on for decades

Ilovelifeverymuch · 16/05/2025 01:22

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 16/05/2025 01:15

Who was calling him a terrorist? That's right, a bunch of colonisers and their sympathisers.

And that makes a difference????

My point is he was officially considered a terrorist and yet he ended up leading South Africa so it is not the US place to say they will continue to sanction Syria because the new president was formally Al Queda.

Continuing to sanction Syria will lead to more destitution and when people don't have any other hope or option they will fall into the hands of Iran and Hezbollah leading to more terrorism and chaos so as I said yes he is right to work with the new Syrian president for peace and progress.

The west imposed their self righteous morality in Iraq, Iran, Libya, Afghanistan etc and they are all huge messes today so yes Trump is right that it is not the place of the US to force changes on those countries. He has made an offer to help Syria rebuild after over a decade of civil war, massive corruption from the dictatorship Assad family and lots of chaos caused by Russia, Iran etc by proxy.

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/05/2025 01:22

Verbena17 · 16/05/2025 01:16

surely you don’t think Elon & his team went in and found out all that in 100 days?
As President Trump said years ago…..”We caught them all”.
They’re just showing the people (in slow time) who aren’t ‘awake’ yet what’s really been going on for decades

I don't understand what you mean. Found all what?

Verbena17 · 16/05/2025 01:25

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/05/2025 01:22

I don't understand what you mean. Found all what?

All of the money laundering, fraud & and load of other dodgy dealings

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 16/05/2025 01:28

Ilovelifeverymuch · 16/05/2025 01:22

And that makes a difference????

My point is he was officially considered a terrorist and yet he ended up leading South Africa so it is not the US place to say they will continue to sanction Syria because the new president was formally Al Queda.

Continuing to sanction Syria will lead to more destitution and when people don't have any other hope or option they will fall into the hands of Iran and Hezbollah leading to more terrorism and chaos so as I said yes he is right to work with the new Syrian president for peace and progress.

The west imposed their self righteous morality in Iraq, Iran, Libya, Afghanistan etc and they are all huge messes today so yes Trump is right that it is not the place of the US to force changes on those countries. He has made an offer to help Syria rebuild after over a decade of civil war, massive corruption from the dictatorship Assad family and lots of chaos caused by Russia, Iran etc by proxy.

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The only time it doesn't make a difference is when you are a card carrying racist...

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/05/2025 01:32

Verbena17 · 16/05/2025 01:25

All of the money laundering, fraud & and load of other dodgy dealings

I wasn't aware that government staff were money laundering, committing fraud and making dodgy deals. No wonder thousands were sacked with no notice.

Ilovelifeverymuch · 16/05/2025 01:33

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 16/05/2025 01:28

The only time it doesn't make a difference is when you are a card carrying racist...

What are you going on about?

My point is purely about the decision to work with Syria and you think we shouldn't because the new leader is former Al Queda. Don't use Mandela and racism to distort my point. I used Mandela and Adams as few of many examples of where people have been considered terrorists yet we ended up working with them later on, simple.

As I said I don't agree that Mandela was a terrorist but again my point is about Syria. I support the decision to help them rebuild. The alternative will lead to poverty, destitution, more migrants trying to flee to other countries, breeding ground to groom future terrorists etc.

BeyondTheReef · 16/05/2025 01:39

My young adult child died this year. I refuse to waste my life worrying about things I cannot control, and don’t have the headspace to be concerned. It put everything into perspective.

Verbena17 · 16/05/2025 01:40

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/05/2025 01:32

I wasn't aware that government staff were money laundering, committing fraud and making dodgy deals. No wonder thousands were sacked with no notice.

That’s only touching the surface!

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/05/2025 01:45

Verbena17 · 16/05/2025 01:40

That’s only touching the surface!

Really? Incredible. And this has been going on for years? Thousands of crooks working for the government!

KierEagan · 16/05/2025 01:45

WeirdyBeardyMarrowBabyLady · 15/05/2025 23:17

Being selective about where you get your news from is one thing but I don’t believe ‘just ignore the news’ is good advice. It’s important that people are informed.

I totally agree. As they say, those who don’t study history are doomed to repeat it.

lemmein · 16/05/2025 01:47

I’m another one who doesn’t watch the news anymore. I stopped during Covid - I used to listen to LBC everyday but stopped because it was really impacting on my mood. No point worrying about shit I can’t change.

GildedRage · 16/05/2025 01:50

i find his approach repulsive and yes dodgy.
the airplane gift, coercing starmer into buying boeing planes and beef....
boeing planes to the saudi's and now convincing the germans to up their defense spending to 5% of their gdp.
politicians need to start ignoring him, he's a typical bully and nauseates me.

Verbena17 · 16/05/2025 01:52

MiloMinderbinder925 · 16/05/2025 01:45

Really? Incredible. And this has been going on for years? Thousands of crooks working for the government!

I can’t tell if you’re asking seriously and genuinely shocked.
Check out the video (find it anywhere) of Victoria Nuland admitting there are US funded bio labs in Ukraine.

Verbena17 · 16/05/2025 01:54

GildedRage · 16/05/2025 01:50

i find his approach repulsive and yes dodgy.
the airplane gift, coercing starmer into buying boeing planes and beef....
boeing planes to the saudi's and now convincing the germans to up their defense spending to 5% of their gdp.
politicians need to start ignoring him, he's a typical bully and nauseates me.

The plane was a gift to the US military …..not to President Trumps!

Calmomiletea · 16/05/2025 01:58

Netflixandchill25 · 15/05/2025 22:20

My news consumption is limited to the BBC app!

Well, there's your problem then. How do people at this point even give the BBC the time of day, it really beats me.

TempestTost · 16/05/2025 01:59

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 16/05/2025 01:15

Who was calling him a terrorist? That's right, a bunch of colonisers and their sympathisers.

I mean, the US both considered them to be terrorists and also imposed sanctions to pressure the government, so I would not say they were particularly supportive of the regime.

The ANC targeted buildings and infrastructure, and participated in crop burnings, which were intended to create pressure from the population to influence government policy. Which arguably falls within the classic definition of terrorism which was still fairly closely defined at the time.

There's often a thin line between a freedom fighter and a terrorist but usually the dividing point is whether it's meant to scare the public into creating pressure or directly affect the state. Though in the end if they prevail they always seem to be considered freedom fighters.

Verbena17 · 16/05/2025 02:01

Former FBI director James Comey is in big trouble tonight…..
after the shell picture he posted!

GildedRage · 16/05/2025 02:01

although the department of defense needs to (dismantle it and rebuild it after checking for bugs) it is NOT a state gift it is a gift to the president who MAY transfer it to the library of congress after his term (but equally could keep it).
as corrupt as corrupt can be.

TempestTost · 16/05/2025 02:06

GildedRage · 16/05/2025 01:50

i find his approach repulsive and yes dodgy.
the airplane gift, coercing starmer into buying boeing planes and beef....
boeing planes to the saudi's and now convincing the germans to up their defense spending to 5% of their gdp.
politicians need to start ignoring him, he's a typical bully and nauseates me.

The Germans (and the rest of NATO) are supposed to spend 5% of GDP on defense, that's part of the commitment they make as part of being in NATO.

Nations are always trying to get other nations to buy their products, that's often a significant part of international relations, if they want certain kinds of concessions or whatever they agree to purchase things like airplanes, age products, medical products, whatever - these kinds of agreements are even a part of international aid agreements.

That's in no way unique to the US, or to the UK.

Socrateswasrightaboutvoting · 16/05/2025 02:06

TempestTost · 16/05/2025 01:59

I mean, the US both considered them to be terrorists and also imposed sanctions to pressure the government, so I would not say they were particularly supportive of the regime.

The ANC targeted buildings and infrastructure, and participated in crop burnings, which were intended to create pressure from the population to influence government policy. Which arguably falls within the classic definition of terrorism which was still fairly closely defined at the time.

There's often a thin line between a freedom fighter and a terrorist but usually the dividing point is whether it's meant to scare the public into creating pressure or directly affect the state. Though in the end if they prevail they always seem to be considered freedom fighters.

Another bunch of colonisers.