New councillor wants to stop 'free mixing' between men and women

[SeaSwim5]

Independent candidate Maheen Kamran has been elected in Burnley.

As well as support for Gaza, her manifesto included a pledge to encourage public spaces to end free mixing of men and women.

"Muslim women aren't really comfortable being involved with Muslim men. I'm sure we can have segregated areas, segregated gyms."

Is this a sensible approach and important for inclusivity? It's notable that many anti-Trans activists advocate the importance of single-sex spaces.

However, some have raised concerns about the growing sectarian nature of UK politics.

Should we be looking to reduce 'free mixing' between men and women and create more single sex spaces?

So , forced mixing , with any dissenters hidden away and inconvenienced(At best)?

You’re not even trying anymore.

It is a broader issue of to what extent in a largely Christian and secular UK as to what extent we should newcomers the way to fit in or we allow parallel societies to exist. They are not easy issues. Denmark has favoured more mixing than perhaps the UK has done.

You don’t necessarily need a predominantly Muslim government. A Labour government who needs the Muslim bloc votes will be more amenable to Muslim priorities.

This Is just silly.
The councillor didn’t say what the OP suggests.
Most British Muslims dont want this.
The numbers don’t work for that sort of pressure.
It’s all in your head.
In this case, the OP misrepresented what was forgoing on so she could push ridiculous ideas about mixed sex toilets.

Why do you think this is safe? Discreet? As in hidden?

You do realise why single sex public toilets have door gaps don’t you? They are to protect the occupant. They are for health and safety.

I helped save the life of a young woman because as soon as I went into the ladies of a nightclub, I noticed her blue hand on the floor of her cubicle. Because there was a floor-to-door gap. My friend got over the top of the cubicle, pulled her body out the way, opened the door, we dragged her out and emptied the vomit out of her mouth. We lay her on her side and whacked her back til she started gurgling, coughing out sick and going pink again. The paramedics took her away and she was semiconscious.

If she had been in a mixed sex toilet she would have died. Because we would not have seen her.

There is also the problem of assaults in toilets. Children and women have been led/followed into toilet rooms in the most busy places such as stations, shopping centres, nightclubs and schools. I don’t like mentioning this too much but it is important to note because you haven't realised this.

Gender neutral is mixed sex and private. They are unsafe for those with invisible disabilities such as diabetes, epilepsy, heart conditions, asthma, pots. They are unsafe for anyone who is feeling ill goes to the toilet and has a heart attack or stroke or seizure. They are unsafe for those having any medical crisis. They are unsafe for women and children.

Mixed sex toilets are the least unsafe for healthy men.

Why do we have a gap under public toilet doors? For health and safety
Why do we get rid of the gap when toilets are mixed sex? For privacy
What are we getting rid of by doing that? Health and Safety

Single sex toilets that are designed with door gaps are always the safest option. For everyone.

Threads like this, that twist the words of the original speaker to push their own right wing views end up with comments like the one above this

Funny how the question of why TW are ok sharing mixed sex spaces with men bUt not using mens soaces is ignored…. Almost like @SeaSwim5 knows the answer….

Almost definitely the women's gym that you support, is what she's asking for. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!

Why are you are so rudely dismissive of the ‘wrong’ Muslim voice - does it not suit your narrative? I am reporting what ex Muslim campaigners are warning us about and risking their lives in doing so.

I’m talking about power and that it wouldn’t take as much of a shift as pp assumed to tip the balance. The Muslim Council of Britain is quite influential with Keir Starmer already. Plus a growing number of Muslim mayors/ministers etc. Before the election we had Angela Rayner having a close meeting either the (all male) Muslim elders promising them all sorts because Labour need the Muslim vote desperately in some areas and postal voting/bloc voting ie the community leaders filling in all the postal votes ‘on behalf’ of the voters.

Look at how the government were persuaded to roll back on a full public enquiry into the Muslim rape gangs, and how a special religious minority exception on animal welfare was made to allow halal slaughter which has become so widespread that apparently schools in Wales only offer halal meat. The Muslim faith does have a stated aim of taking over and converting or killing non believers - the infidels.

Obviously the majority of Muslims in this country are not extremists but if their leadership becomes more extreme, they are obliged to comply - this is from an ex-Muslim who has had countless death threats and even been attacked when he left. It is very dangerous to leave Islam.

I used to live in Kuwait, which is a quite strict Muslim country where there were men only gyms , ladies only gyms and mixed. All equally popular. Currently in Malaysia , another Muslim country it not as strict and the same applies here. I don’t see a problem with single sex spaces at all - for example some carriages on the trains here are women only and it’s lovely and peaceful 😆 but agree they shouldn’t be enforced.

If she's saying women or men only shopping areas or parks, bars or restaurants definitely not. A woman's only night once in a while maybe. If this is a creeping segregation of women, men only allowed in many public places (for cultural reasons), then an extremely bad thing for women.

To your first paragraph...

My DH used to be a prison officer. There were several rapists that he came across that would lay in wait in the cubicle of a women's toilet, feet up off the floor and behind the door. Those sort of people are the ones the people you say are 'anti trans' (probably myself included) want to ensure have no excuse to legally be in a women's toilet or changing room. Closed cubicles do not guarantee safety.

As for the original question, I see nothing wrong with businesses choosing to offer spaces or sessions for single sex as long as the opportunities are equal for both. Council or government enforced is a slippery slope to some form of apartheid. This councillor stating that Muslim women want it I find somewhat disturbing.

absolutely not, the suffragettes fought our corner all those years ago. Having said that I remember greener common women banning men because they said things might become less peaceful with men there. I had no problem with that.

but the idea of women and women not ‘mingling’ is atrocious and goes against everything living in the UK stands for!

I thought the only single sex camp at Greenham was Green Gate, and the other camps had a 'no men overnight' rule.

My goodness me the way the hysteria and delusions and conspiracies build and build to a crescendo in this post 😂 embarrassing

Thank you for spelling it out so clearly. I have lots of statistics about toilets and crime. We need to make it as difficult as possible by reintroducing gaps into cubicles and making toilets single sex. If people can see two sets of feet plus hear the sounds it must be better than the universal design that’s acoustically sound and completely private. Even having the door set so it swings open when not in use can help. All of these will help prevent something happening in the first place.

We want single sex spaces for anti-MALE reasons. All the males, regardless of how they personally feel about themselves. Just the males. As religious reasons are also to do with males, that's covered too.

Where there is a need for privacy, dignity and safety then yes single sex.

Single sex sessions for females on stuff where there might be discomfort with males either taking over the space or perving (so gym or swim for example) would be nice to have but I would also advocate for both sexes to have that. For males it's usually to do with male support and mental health (see Men in Sheds) and that's fine too.

In general public day to day life, so shopping, libraries, workplaces, the GP waiting room, that kind of thing - no.

Absolutely no need, and where you can't segregate but have to take turns, we can all guarantee the males would take the priority, leaving females with the scraps. This is turn would instill a sense of superiority in the males, and that way female subjugation lies.

I'm not anti men.

I'm pro safeguarding, dignity, fairness, and the right for me to choose who I get naked in front of. None of those things are anti anyone, they don't express hatred, and if you read them that way its you that has a problem with boundaries.

I agree. And why can’t the male sex class be more supportive and accommodating?

This.

This is what the Corbynistas wanted 🤷🏻‍♀️

The ' far left' is the biggest threat to society as we know it. I include the councillor quoted, who for their own intentions are desperate to bring religion into politics. I honestly despair at people who wrap themselves in knots to legitimise such rhetoric. It's not about single sex gym sessions, swimming lanes, or club nights - these have been around for donkeys years, so she would have no ' point' to make or proposal about something already in existence. Read between the lines. She is specifically addressing Muslim women and their reluctance to ' free mix' with Muslim men. No mention of her other non- Muslim constituents, and what they may like or want, so we can gather she gives no credence to representing ALL communities. Quite chilling stuff.

@FineDayTomorrow

Gender segregation would be considered a socially conservative view and that doesn’t fall into lefty politics.

Even if you considered everyone left of labour as far left - that would include the greens - there has no major jump in support and they pose no risk to left, moderate or right political parties. So even if you consider the greens and those more left parties as having dangerous ideas, they don’t actually pose a threat with their low levels of support.

@Odras a lot of Muslims are socially conservative and are on the left.

yes they vote left - but I think that is despite socially conservative views rather than because of.

Gender segregation is not a far left idea like that poster suggested. It’s just not. That post is utter nonsense.