Reform winning big

[Keirawr]

Reform had a good night, winning county councils, probably will win a mayoral seat and won the parliamentary by election also.

You don’t have to be a Reform voter to acknowledge that they are taking votes off Labour. Or that they are being electorally effective.

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

These same people also totally miss the point that winning is winning. Feeling all moral and superior about ‘oh well, what will they actually do’ changes nothing.

Perhaps those who label everyone that wants immigration limiting as ‘racist’ Will think again. But likely not.

I feel the same way about this.

That's a very simplistic view. The causes of inequality are multifarious. In any event, as humans are all different there can never be equality. I can see it in my own children - very different personalities, one of whom is a successful self-starting go getter and one of whom is not (but has lots of good qualities).

Totally agree. During WW2 many countries and races joined as allies to defeat facism from the Nazis, without all pulling together it would not of been achieved.

Your grandfather bravely fought facism, but it wasn't just for the uk. It was for the whole civilised world. WW2 wasn't UK v Germany.

But the young men arriving on boats are fleeing a war, whilst leaving their families behind. No way should these be compared to the brave people thar fought during the WW2.

It will be interesting to see who is elected as leaders of the councils Reform has won and what their backgrounds are.

The voting breakdown of the EU referendum indicated that the age group old enough to fight in the Second World War very much voted against Brexit.
Anyway, as the Tories have clearly performed the worst let’s hope that’s the end of the bonkers incarnation of it and we’ll see some moderate pragmatic Tory politicians that we can vote for again rather than rabble rousers.

It would be disingenuous to say that the majority of sex offences against children are not white males. If you read the last census the majority are white British. Asian only make up 9.3%. I would say it's very close if not more than 90% white male sexual offences against children.

Regardless of pp family members the age range for Reform may well show Labour lost older voters due to cuts.

That has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with slashed police forces making excuses for not arresting and prosecuting known gangs of all ethnicities for donkeys years. Read either of the two enquiries already done on grooming gangs- 2015 and 2022. The only reason reform is calling for yet another enquiry is because both of the ones we paid hundreds of millions of pounds to do found out that there is NO evidence that grooming gangs are disproportionately nonwhite, nonchristian, or nonBritish.

Of course you're allowed to call us thick. As well as the racism label, you don't know any different. We understand, fear not.

And it's funny how Farage married a German - then his French mistress, Bridgen married a Slovakian , Trump two eastern europeans, Tice's missus Oakshott has fecked off to Dubai and yet they bang the loudest for Britain and rage against immigration and poisonously weaponise the debate. Shame Farage gave up flying himself - it suited him.

@Pinepeak2434 illegal immigration shouldn’t as anyone here illegally has no recourse to public funds?

Couldn't agree more plus a look at the USA shows us all we need to know. Plus Farage is a signed up fan boy of both Trump and Putin 🙄

Where do you want it built, to house nearly a million net a year if the last few years are anything to go by. Is there a spare greenfield near you? You seem open to it, so write to your MP proposing the sites near you

Most don't have compatible values or respect for personal freedom or equality and are here to benefit themselves. Living in isolated groups, never fully integrating. Zero benefit to the UK the way it's currently handled.

I think the name calling about Brexit was unhelpful and uncalled for (and I think that it wasn't as obvious before Brexit what the right decision was, I voted remain but was conflicted).

However, the rise of populist parties absolutely terrifies me. There are 4 states in the US that are actively considering making abortion a capital crime. Some are looking at revoking gay marriage. A British citizen who got her visa wrong and couldn't cross into Canada was thrown into detention for two weeks - only getting out when the press got involved - even though she wanted to and could pay to come home. International aid has been decimated. Ukraine has been told its to blame for being invaded. All in 100 days.

So I reserve the right to be really really angry that people are voting for the same ideas here. The new Lincolnshire mayor talks about DOGE Lincolnshire. They are modelling themselves on Trump. And I am really scared and really angry.

Whether reform get in or not they are influencing policy. Like campaigning against Net Zero. I want my kids to be able to have children if they want them, to have a sustainable planet.

1. Ukraine is involved in a conventional and organised war, whereas many of the people fleeing other conflict zones are escaping civil wars or oppressive regimes. That makes it far more difficult to stay behind and "fight".

2. There are plenty of women and children seeking asylum, but they are not often shown for a variety of reasons. However, they are there, and we see that clearly whenever there’s a tragedy involving a boat crossing, how many images of drowned children do you need?

But, it is true more men make the journey and the reason is because the journey is incredibly dangerous from start to finish. Women and children are especially vulnerable, with a huge target on their backs from the moment they set out. They are not even safe once they reach these shores. People-smuggling gangs will rape or abduct women and children if given the chance. It is far safer for men to make the journey first and, once safely processed, send for their families. What was it, something like 400 unaccompanied children who have gone missing from UK detention centres last year alone?

Honestly, the idea that these men are simply abandoning their loved ones while they “swanning off” to the UK shows just how little understanding the general public has of the realities involved.

3. Ukraine is about as far from the UK as North Africa. And before the unrest in 2014, Ukraine was on the UN and Amnesty International’s watch list for far-right activism and violence against women and girls. It is also a much more socially conservative and Christian country than the UK. In fact, the only things we really share are being on the same continent and being majority white.

All this information is freely available and well documented, so the fact the narrative you state prevails is simply down to ignorance and the media/politicians pushing a divisive narrative for their own gains.

You are right.

But this is something entirely separate to what the other poster was talking about - she was talking about gyy th pining gangs, gangs who clearly have a racial element in picking victims.

Your statistics are general csa offences which will inc those against family members (which is likely to have different reporting levels in different communities)

Very important to draw that distinction

It’s weird how older reform voters are disgruntled because of a benefit being means tested and yet they’re quite happy to see other benefits and public services cut to the bone as happened over the last 12 years or so.

I always think of this as turkeys voting for Christmas.

If we do become far more right wing etc. likelihood I’ll probably be okay as I’m in a profession, middle class upbringing, relatively wealthy parents to fall back on, private healthcare policy for me and my family etc.

So part of me just thinks oh let them have some power and we can watch how awful this country becomes! If I remember rightly one of the top points on their general election manifesto was scrapping the equality act and encourages mothers to stay at home with children more… how anyone votes for them I do not know! Especially with all that’s going on in America with trump.

Pointing out a fact

No, far right means ‘anyone who disagrees with MEEE on anything’ these days. It’s ludicrous truly.

One brother married an Indian citizen another brother a Chinese citizen. What's your point besides blatant racism.

Bring it on. Let Lincolnshire be the Petri dish and we can see in real life how Doge Lincolnshire goes. Be quite satisfying to see the wailing and gnashing of teeth as it hits home.

Yeah in 2017, before the 2015 and 2022 enquiries were completed and published proving this “suggestion” was smoke and mirrors.

Anyway, I've said my piece. I'm a happy bunny right now with a G&T in sunny Lincolnshire. Glad to see others not being afraid to stand up to the bullies. You're adults with a right to vote. How you cast that vote doesn't need to be justified to anybody but yourselves.