Reform winning big

[Keirawr]

Reform had a good night, winning county councils, probably will win a mayoral seat and won the parliamentary by election also.

You don’t have to be a Reform voter to acknowledge that they are taking votes off Labour. Or that they are being electorally effective.

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

These same people also totally miss the point that winning is winning. Feeling all moral and superior about ‘oh well, what will they actually do’ changes nothing.

Perhaps those who label everyone that wants immigration limiting as ‘racist’ Will think again. But likely not.

When it comes to immigration the majority of voters don’t want to ‘stop brown people’ but they do want to stop the boats, the grown men pretending to be children, the HMOs on residential streets, the unknown! Controlled immigration is a good thing, that is not!

Why don’t you just say what you really mean. You’re quite clearly a bigot, it’s there in black and white

I don't think brown people are the issue at all, it's much more to do with aspects of certain cultures that are perceived to be taking hold in our society and which a lot of people find unacceptable

And what perceived certain cultures are taking hold in society, pray tell?

Apologies hard to read a tone in a post

The reason more families could get by on a single income in the years gone by is because society was more socialist. Top earners were taxed at rates as high as 90% in the 60s, and trade unions held real power allowing workers to collectively bargain for decent wages and conditions.

If you want to return to a society where being a SAHP is a realistic option for more than just the wealthy, you'll need policies that prioritise economic fairness, which means voting for parties with strong social socialist values.

There’s absolutely no chance of that happening under a party like Reform, whose agenda leans in the opposite direction and will see inequality worsen.

Far right for wanting controlled immigration? Voters racist for wanting the same? No wonder these labels aren't taken seriously anymore.

I'm sorry but I'm unemployed working class I did NOT vote for brexit or reform

The elderly were out in force yesterday reform are the only ones who actually campaigned in my area and they are getting in this has been a safe conservative seat for 16 years probably more

Starmer did this he took their heating he is taking disability payment who will be affected if parents of disabled children go back to work? GRANDPARENTS they will have to step in because you can't get childcare for a disabled child easily that's why carers allowance came about so along come granny and grandad and they don't want to do it

@inkognitha
16% is not a tiny proportion, and it has risen by a third since 2011
Eh! 16% Where does that come from?

Reform voters really do believe them AI pictures of white kids being forced to bow on pray mats in school 🤣🤣🤣

I'll probably get abuse here but hey, whatever, but I really cannot even look at their policies or anything about them just because of Farage. I absolutely cannot watch him on TV the same as I just switch over if Trump is on the news. I think both guys are creepy, vile, untrustworthy and built from the same cloth. I cannot trust Farage and so therefore cannot trust the party.

Not how I vote or anyone with morals.

The left control and dictate voting? Have I missed an announcement?
Oh wait…you mean people who disagree with a reform say things about them that you don’t like, which don’t control or dictate how anyone else votes? You should have said so.

Not really. Some wealthy people would prefer to vote for a party with a plan to raise taxes for multi-millionaires and billionaires. They obviously think that, even with paying higher taxes, they will still be vastly wealthy and would prefer to have a government with policies to benefit all citizens and think that the redistribution of wealth will have benefits for the wider society.

I would prefer to vote for a party that would aim to eliminate child poverty, even though there is no direct benefit to me. Not all people vote entirely in their own self-interest.

🤣🤣🤣 hilarious.

I don't know where you live but they are taken seriously in my circles.

To think my Grandad along with many others landed on Gold beach on D day was being shot at by Nazis, to fight fascism, to preserve democracy all for what, for ingrates, 80 years later to fall for populist BS and vote against freedom and democracy!

“Yes Pakistani men are disproportionately involved in grooming gangs and this particular model of abuse. And no that is not a racist statement. Neither is it racist to say that when it comes to wider child abuse nearly 90 per cent of those convicted and on the sex offenders register are white men.”

Naz Shah MP, 12 August 2017

In the 2021 Census, the majority of the population in England and Wales (81.7%) identified as White. Within the White group, the largest percentage (74.4%) identified as White British. Other significant ethnic groups include Asian (9.3%), Black (4.0%), Mixed (2.9%), and Other (2.1%).

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/uk-population-by-ethnicity/national-and-regional-populations/population-of-england-and-wales/latest/#:~:text=according%20to%20the%202021%20Census,up%20from%20333%2C100%20to%20923%2C800

White males are the majority not Asian.

Reform are nowhere near extreme right. They have some right wing policies, but are not in extreme right territory.

@CharlestheBold

ONS website

Migration Observatory website

Agreed. Anyone who voted for Reform because they think they will run the country any better is fooling themselves. It’s quite telling that whenever there is a discussion about them it all comes down to immigration. Many couldn’t even name any other policy without resorting to Google to try and pretend they have. Farage has no idea how to run a country, he is a one trick pony who would fuck up the country even more if he ever got in to power.

I vote for who I think will build a better society - sometimes that would mean I was worse off in some ways, eg paying more tax, but I think my life will be better with socialist systems to support everyone. So I guess you could say I’m voting in my own interest in a way - just in a broader way than you are suggesting

lifeonmars100
Then factor in his nine jobs, the way he has turned his back on his constituency of Clacton where he has yet to hold a surgery

To be fair, one of his nine jobs is writing a column for the Clacton Gazette and there are some surgeries for OAPs and businesses listed here:

https://www.clactonandfrintongazette.co.uk/news/25109004.nigel-farage-are-clactons-train-connection-good-enough-/
https://www.clactonandfrintongazette.co.uk/news/24670021.column-nigel-farage-holds-advice-surgeries-over-65s/
https://www.clactonandfrintongazette.co.uk/news/24838874.nigel-farage-make-clacton-better-place-businesses/

How often does Ed Miliband go to Doncaster?

This has happened because the main parties stopped listening. They wrote anyone who had a difference of opinion off and called them names and then started to asset strip the UK under the gaze of both parties.
Yes some people are racist and xenophobic but others are fighting for their local communities.

Is it wrong to question why house prices both for rent and sale are out of control for people on an average wage?
That waiting times at A & E or for regular appointments has shot up.
That some people are better off on benefits than working as traditional blue collar/manufacturing jobs have moved abroad and the introduction of zero hours contracts for minimum wage jobs hasn't helped.
That childcare costs are the equivalent of a mortgage, so good luck to having two children without someone having to quit their job.
That the school system is out of touch with the requirements for the type of students/careers that are coming through the system now.
That some people's behaviour has deteriorated and the criminal/justice systems is not a deterrent.

Any before anyone jumps in. I am not a Reform voter. But I can see that if people feel ignored of course they are going to be attracted by more extreme groups.

Technically, it should be possible under the Dublin Agreement to return asylum seekers to the first safe EU country they’ve entered.

However, I’ve read about several cases in places like Germany, where people were supposed to be sent back but weren’t, because they hid from the authorities or for other reasons.

Last summer an 26-year-old Syrian asylum seeker attacked people at a festival in Solingen (Germany).
The first EU country he had entered was Bulgaria, so his asylum application in Germany was denied in 2023, and he was supposed to be deported to Bulgaria (which was willing to accept him).

However, the deportation did not happen because the authorities couldn’t get hold of him on that particular day, and he was eventually granted subsidiary protection allowing him to remain in Germany.

www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/01/22/germany-knife-attack-aschaffenburg-schntal-park/

And not one of those issues is caused by immigration - legal or otherwise.

Yet Reform and those who support them believe they are. Or pretend they are.

Go ahead and believe whatever you need to excuse your selfishness and greed.
I bet you would be fine with bringing back slavery so mums can have free slave child minders because that would benefit you and your family,