Reform winning big

[Keirawr]

Reform had a good night, winning county councils, probably will win a mayoral seat and won the parliamentary by election also.

You don’t have to be a Reform voter to acknowledge that they are taking votes off Labour. Or that they are being electorally effective.

No doubt the ‘basket of deplorables’ crowd will be along in a min with their usual quips calling reform voters names, having learned absolutely 0 from Brexit. Insult the voters at your peril.

These same people also totally miss the point that winning is winning. Feeling all moral and superior about ‘oh well, what will they actually do’ changes nothing.

Perhaps those who label everyone that wants immigration limiting as ‘racist’ Will think again. But likely not.

Immigrants make up a tiny proportion of people living in the UK.

What this thread has demonstrated to me is that intolerance, clampdown on freedom of speech, threat to democracy and the rise of fascism is coming more from the hard left than it is from the right in the UK.

I seriously think all left leaning parties need to join together especially Green and Labour (though the latter need to reframe themselves as they are leaning too far right just to appease Reform supporters who will never change their views).

I completely agree @1dayatatime

Well my exchange with you started with your question in relation to a post criticising people voting in their own interests
Isn't that how everyone votes?

OK, I'll try again!

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/political-party-donations-and-loans-great-britain

If that doesn't work, just google "Electoral Commission donations" and that should lead you to a relevant page.

I mean the obvious answer is for the left to put together a competent and functional party that actually listens to and represents the population and addresses the actual issues people care about, instead of standing in ivory towers arguing about pronouns while throwing rocks at plebs. I'd vote for a left-leaning party like that. The listening and representing one, not the rock throwing one. I'm already not voting for them.

I agree!

Nail on head! Thing is, the left don't see it. They control and dictate voting. In my book, that's fascism.

Your Full Fact link also says;

Studies on those involved in grooming children do suggest that a disproportionate number of offenders are categorised as being of Asian ethnicity.

Who has stopped you from expressing yourself how you want. Is no one else allowed their opinion?

If the wankers who voted for them, think they are going to make brown people disappear, they're mistaken.

I don't think brown people are the issue at all, it's much more to do with aspects of certain cultures that are perceived to be taking hold in our society and which a lot of people find unacceptable.

'The hard left' such sensationalism, people can detest Reform and what they stand for as they are extreme and they should be highlighted as such. People who don't support an extreme right wing party aren't by default the extreme left!

The irony 🤣

16% is not a tiny proportion, and it has risen by a third since 2011.

If it's meant as a compliment fine but hard to tell

On checking back I see you were replying to my post in response to someone else. Sorry for my mistaken attribution.

Yet you have no problem being dramatic with referring to the far right.

Just said the same thing to husband. Very sad

I just said it was. Honestly, you need to stop being so defensive.

People don't like Reform much. But they like the other choices even less. Tories were finished after their long term in government and the covid fiasco and final nail was that idiot Liz Truss. Labour is a waste of time unless you are on benefits or live in champagne socialist territory. But I don't think this will happen in a general election.

Not much debate as ever.
I imagine people voted Reform because they are still pissed off with the Conservatives and since last July they are now even more pissed off with Labour due to the damage they have wrought across the board, which is not what they promised.

We no longer have a two party system so I venture proportional representation. We cannot, moving forward, have parties in control who may have got a mandate from only about 25% of the voting public.

But Reform are the extreme right, they are right of right, that's factual and correct whereas the Liberal Democrats for example are not the extreme left, they are liberals!

A quick read through of quotes of their members will give you the answer. They’re racist bigots who peddle a divisive narrative. People who vote for them aren’t stupid I don’t think they’re disillusioned and the whole sorry state of affairs is thoroughly depressing

I know I was alluding to the failure to protect vulnerable girls in society and what contributed to their vulnerability not necessarily what exploited it.