Trans protest- sharing for balance

[Tandora]

There’s a thread sharing some really awful images from the protest, so I wanted to share some positive ones for the sake of some perspective/ balance.
A lot of people are really understandably incredibly angry and overwhelmed by the events of the last few days. But most people who support trans rights absolutely don’t condone fighting oppression and injustice with misogyny.

Exactly 😒

For balance? The majority of the news sites have only shown that kind of posters. They have conveniently ignored all the posters with threats and the only news outlet that mentioned that a reporter or camera man from GB News got assaulted at the protest was GB News

How about for balance you acknowledge that is isn't only a small minority of the TRAs who are abusive to women and girls?

The terminology is not “out of date”. Some people prefer the terminology of “intersex” and object strongly to the language of “DSDs” (which they find offensive); some people feel the opposite. Both perspectives are legitimate. There is no consensus on this and you have no legitimacy for claiming there is. It’s simply dishonest.

DARVO there with 'dishonest' OP

Ok, so contrary to your OP you've just come here to argue and troll. Good for you.

See, no matter what men have done to themselves, they're still men to me. And I adopt the safeguarding principle that all men are potentially dangerous to me (the many examples of trans-identifying men who've committed crimes of violence and sexual assault against women proves that such identification doesn't wave a magic wand and make each of those trans-identifying men suddenly completely safe) and therefore, I want them all kept out of women's spaces. I include my beloved younger brother and all my male friends in that.

https://x.com/Glinner/status/1913720690647122358

This black clad, masked man with a hand at a woman's throat doesn't look like he's trying to have a respectful discussion.

Why must this argument always drag in people with DSD.

They are not trans 🤷🏻‍♀️

Bravo! This, exactly. This is a sensible, balanced viewpoint.

Because I disagree with you I’ve come to argue and troll?

Says the person describing the Supreme Court judgment as "fascism"????

That document repeatedly refers to people with DSDs as ‘persons with innate variations in sex characteristics (also known as Intersex persons)

This

Im sick and tired of the hyperbole that -

Defending womens spaces, safety and dignity = denying trans people exist

So OP, how about your side of the discussion start to come up with some practical real ideas of how we can keep biological women safe before we start addressing any rights you feel this denys trans people?

Plus, for real balance we would need to see examples of Horrible TERFs holding placards inciting violence and hate on trans people (decapitating them, for example) or Twatter threads hoping trans people die in grease fires.

Bescuse one side of this argument are very happy to see women actually harmed for their cause.

Your opinion vs my opinion. Calling me "dishonest" is absolutely priceless coming from you!

I posted this yesterday but it applies here. It's from a brilliant essay by Kathleen Stock. Link to the entire article after the quote.

'...another big problem for transactivist campaigners was the restricted arsenal of argumentative weapons at their disposal. They couldn’t rely on reason or evidence as these concepts are commonly understood, because no good arguments for transubstantiation by means of lip gloss existed. This left only three options: intellectual misdirection, emotional blackmail, and aggressively shaming opponents into silence.

The result of the first of these was fancy-sounding obfuscation about spectrums, social constructs, and the supposedly close relation between trans-identified and so-called intersex people. But this was only ever likely to work with the young or dull-witted, while cleverer minds watched and learned from the mistakes.'

https://unherd.com/2025/04/how-women-won-the-gender-wars/

Yawn, for the umpteenth time - no one is taking away any rights from trans people - they still have the protected characteristic of being transgender & have every right to fight to protect that.

However, what they cannot do is change sex & there are times when sex really does matter & women have every right to protect women only spaces.

Your own lesbian group still has the right to allow trans women but mine also has the right to legally exclude trans women. Everyone has a choice.

yes? And? They also use the language of intersex

That was very interesting. Thanks for posting. Explains a lot

Why do you agree that transwomen should be excluded from women's sports, but not women's prisons, rape counselling, hospital words, domestic violence shelters, changing rooms?

You are so very wrong in so many ways its hard to know where to start.
I don't hate anyone for what they are, I hate them for what they do.
TW do not pass as female, they hope they do and because women don't point and scream "MAN" at them some even believe it
I do not want TW to not exist and I acknowldege that they do.
I care about their safety as much as I care about the safety of any other group I am not part of but not as much as I do about a group I AM a part of (women)
What you ARE right about is that I do not want ANY man, no matter what surgery he has had or whatever he wears in a cubicle next to me or in my toilets. I include my DS and DH in that by the way.

I wouldn't describe vandalism, placards inciting violence and the assault of two women peaceful.

Still waiting for an answer to that one.

@Tandora Can you define trans for me please? What is the minimum requirement for being trans?

Trans People Exist and Will Always Exist - I don’t understand who has said that they don’t exist ? So much hyperbole around trans existence that people won’t understand unless TRA explain my previous question.

Predatory Men are the Problem Not Us- nobody has said that all trans people are predators. We have single sex spaces because biological women are safer in single sex spaces sometimes. Nobody is saying that all men are predators but there’s no way to tell who the predators are.

Sex is not binary - Sex is binary, gender is not. Sometimes babies need medical help to work out which sex they are but it’s very unusual.

Trans Lives Matter- Nobody has said they don’t! GC women welcomes the Equality Act making discrimination due to gender reassignment illegal so that a trans man retains the same maternity rights as a woman. People who push this slogan want to say “trans lives matter more than women’s lives” which is the ultimate misogynistic view.

This lesbian thinks that trans women are women - The only reasonable placard. It’s her personal opinion and we live in a place where she can say that.

What is your opinion on transmen’s voices not being heard as much as transwomen’s voices over this issue ? Is it because transwomen are more misogynistic towards biological women or the world is more misogynistic towards transmen because they are biological women?

Some people prefer the terminology of “intersex” and object strongly to the language of “DSDs” (which they find offensive); some people feel the opposite…There is no consensus

This is the reality of the situation regardless of your opinion.