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Trans protest- sharing for balance

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Tandora · 20/04/2025 11:47

There’s a thread sharing some really awful images from the protest, so I wanted to share some positive ones for the sake of some perspective/ balance.
A lot of people are really understandably incredibly angry and overwhelmed by the events of the last few days. But most people who support trans rights absolutely don’t condone fighting oppression and injustice with misogyny.

Trans protest- sharing for balance
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Trans protest- sharing for balance
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TryingToBeHelpful267 · 20/04/2025 12:55

Why post it here? Can't you just leave women alone?

I don’t go on trans websites and post anti-trans sentiments 🤷🏻‍♀️

Soontobe60 · 20/04/2025 12:55

Tandora · 20/04/2025 12:52

None are homophobic, none are factually incorrect, I couldn’t care less about spelling pedantry. 😘

They’re all utter bollocks. We’re still waiting for a persuasive argument from you as to why we should suddenly believe people can change sex?
Tick Tock

Teaandtoastserveddaily · 20/04/2025 12:55

Struggling to see how these images are positive?

They show a bunch of deluded people so desperate not to offend the 'trans folx' that they'll happily distribute lies and spread misogyny.

Yay.

Myalternate · 20/04/2025 12:55

Tandora · 20/04/2025 12:09

They are protesting against women's sex based rights.

They are protesting fascism.

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A fascist slogan; “Credere, obbedire, combattere”…Believe, obey, fight…

Explain how the TRA’s aren’t the true fascists ?

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 20/04/2025 12:56

Netmumnet · 20/04/2025 12:50

Thanks for sharing this. Have been disgusted by other comments

Trans women are women 💖🏳️‍⚧️

It’s such a mind numbing saying. No they aren’t.

If you have to argue the toss that you’re a woman then you’re not a woman. The only prerequisite to be a trans woman is to male. Literally the ONLY thing.

Believe in the Emperor’s New Clothes all you want, but you can’t force anyone else to, or call them disgusting for not playing along. Makes yourself look stupid.

Soontobe60 · 20/04/2025 12:56

Spirallingdownwards · 20/04/2025 12:36

I can see from the pile on following my comment that some people do indeed judge a group rather than the individual which is really sad.

But you’ve not actually answered the questions asked of you - why is that?

DrPrunesqualer · 20/04/2025 12:57

TryingToBeHelpful267 · 20/04/2025 12:55

Why post it here? Can't you just leave women alone?

I don’t go on trans websites and post anti-trans sentiments 🤷🏻‍♀️

Good point

But also OP apparently Mumsnet has been blacklisted by the Trans movement.
Does daddy know you’re here?

DuckieDodgyHedgyPiggy · 20/04/2025 12:57

I agree with everyone here apart from you, OP. Well said (almost) everyone.

Scentbird · 20/04/2025 12:57

Tandora · 20/04/2025 12:52

None are homophobic, none are factually incorrect, I couldn’t care less about spelling pedantry. 😘

Which predatory men are the issue? That’s what one of the signs say.

which specific group?

Is it the group that’s dressing as women? And calling themselves transwomen? Just to gain access to female spaces? Isn’t it transphobic to say someone is not really trans? How are you judging not really trans?

and yes, homophobia is rife in the trans community.

BeReet · 20/04/2025 13:00

Tandora · 20/04/2025 12:09

They are protesting against women's sex based rights.

They are protesting fascism.

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LOL I don't think you know what fascism is Tandora

Tiswa · 20/04/2025 13:00

The irony in all of these arguments is that even though there trans movement believe sex isn’t binary most of the statements made tend to be binary.

one of the undeniable truths is that multiple things can be right at the same time that actually truth is a spectrum just like everything else and it is balancing all of that which is important.

SunnyDenimKoala · 20/04/2025 13:01

20+ years ago I was a straight woman with gay and lesbian friends. I grew up in gay clubs where I made 'club friends' that were transexuals as was deemed then. A couple who'd had surgery and hormones and some who just 'lived presenting as women'.

And other men who were transvestite or cross-dressers. They enjoyed presenting as female. Usually just on the nights they went to the club.

I considered myself a feminist. And in the gay clubs it really wasn't an issue what toilet anyone was using because no-one really cared and no-one was insisting on having a right to be anywhere.

None of the people I knew would ever say they were a woman because they felt like one or had hormones or surgery. They said they were transsexuals or transvestites or cross-dressers.

When the whole GRC/GC/trans/identifying debate began I was someone online who was saying "get a grip transphobes, live and let live, it just won't happen that transsexuals will want to be treated like the sex they're not. And even if they did, you're nuts if you think it'll ever happen that even if they want to be in womens hostels or prisons, no way will it happen.

Well, I was a twat and wrong and what happened was worse than I could have ever imagined.

Some of my transvestite/cross dresser friends and associates who previously said they were men that enjoyed playing women suddenly became seized with the idea they actually were women.

The 'trans movement' over-reached and in doing so caused harm to women and a lot of the 'old-school' transsexuals (as they identified) who never claimed to be women and were thrown under the bus and experiencing abuse that they hadn't before because of the frankly insane rhetoric that took over and needed a supreme court judgment to redress.

AnSolas · 20/04/2025 13:01

Spirallingdownwards · 20/04/2025 12:21

Unfortunately this is MN. You won't get a balanced view on this subject. Any thread is hijacked by those with very anti trans views and those who are in the live and let live brigade are out shouted.

My own view is that trans women should not be allowed to compete in women's sport but other than that each person is an individual and should be judged as that individual. There are evil men and evil women and evil trans men and evil trans women but there are also good people in every category too. Judge the person not the group.

I know there will be people who disagree with my view about the sport issue too. I am simply saddened that there is so much hatred towards other people whether that's based on race, religion, sexual preference or sexuality.

Lets look at you as a jury member for a criminal trial or a civil case for damages...

A woman comes into A&E and tells the admission/nursing staff member she want a woman doctor and another woman chaperone for an exam.

There are 4 doctors on staff :
A) female who classes herself as a woman
B) female who classes herself as a transman
C) male who classes himself as a man
D) male who classes himself as a transwoman.

The there are 4 chaperones on staff :
E) female who classes herself as a woman
F) female who classes herself as a transman
G) male who classes himself as a man
H) male who classes himself as a transwoman.

Its a such a quiet night that all 8 individuals are having a teabreak together when the admissions individual comes in and says one woman doctor and one woman chaperone is needed as the woman said she wanted a woman doctor and a woman chaperone.

Would you class these two individuals as evil or good if they carried out the exam:
C) male who classes himself as a man
D) male who classes himself as a transwoman.

How about these 4 chaperones are they evil or good if they act as chaperones as either two male doctors carry out the exam?
E) female who classes herself as a woman
F) female who classes herself as a transman
G) male who classes himself as a man
H) male who classes himself as a transwoman.

How about these 2 doctors are they evil or good if they see one of the 4 act as chaperones as either two male doctors carry out the exam and say and do nothing?
A) female who classes herself as a woman
B) female who classes herself as a transman

Should any criminal or civil liability land on any of the 8 individuals or the hospital?

Soontobe60 · 20/04/2025 13:01

Munkyfuzzable · 20/04/2025 12:46

Sex and gender are NOT the same thing. There are more than two sexes (male, female and intersex etc) and gender is merely a social construct designed to put human beings in specific boxes and designate ‘traits’ to each gender in order to oppress and elevate one over the other. Men deigned to offload particular ‘duties’ to one sex over the other so they didn’t have to partake. One is no more suited to housework or parenting than the other, it’s just that one takes the time to learn and doesn’t benefit from free labour that has been deemed inferior to paid work. As such, gender is absolutely not binary because traits such as ‘feminine’ and ‘masculine’ are human traits.
Trans people are born in the wrong body, they feel and know it and there are scientific studies that indicate this occurs in utero. Identifying as another sex, other than the one you’re born with, is of no threat to anyone else.
Why are you not using your energy to protest the unbelievable levels of harassment, violence, misogyny and murders perpetrated by cis men? Trans women are in the absolute minority as perpetrators of such violence.
Oh and as you’re so intent on reinforcing this ridiculous court ruling, I’m sure you’ll be more than welcoming to trans men in the women’s toilets, as they’ve been deemed ‘biological women’ and therefore have the right to use this space too - legally and according to you!

‘Intersex’ is an outdated term who many people born with a DSD find repulsive as it implies that they are between sexes, when in fact every single human being is either male or female.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/04/2025 13:02

Interesting approach wanting to ignore all the threats of violence (hanging, shooting etc) aimed at women on that march?

Still - takes all sorts in this world I suppose. 😑

Waitwhat23 · 20/04/2025 13:02

OP, I was just wondering why you didn't link the other thread in your OP?

Seems rather remiss of you.

Helleofabore · 20/04/2025 13:03

Have we then found out what steps are taken by people who see the signs calling for violence etc and disagree with them at these events? Does anyone stop the people and say ‘hey, this is not on!’ ? If not, why not?

Brefugee · 20/04/2025 13:03

Why? why share, we all saw them.

But, just to pick one, that lesbian who thinks trans women are women, is she dating a trans woman? because if she is i have news for her and it's all bad.

Tandora · 20/04/2025 13:04

Soontobe60 · 20/04/2025 13:01

‘Intersex’ is an outdated term who many people born with a DSD find repulsive as it implies that they are between sexes, when in fact every single human being is either male or female.

This is not true. The UN only last year (2024) adopted an international resolution on the rights of intersex people using the language of intersex. Please stop assuming consensus on subjects in which there is none and please stop spreading false information about subjects you clearly don’t understand .

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PonyPatter44 · 20/04/2025 13:05

If sex isn't binary, what are the other sexes? I understand XX=female and XY=male, and there are a few other permutations that result in DSDs... but there's no Z, is there? Or P?

Tandora · 20/04/2025 13:05

Tandora · 20/04/2025 13:04

This is not true. The UN only last year (2024) adopted an international resolution on the rights of intersex people using the language of intersex. Please stop assuming consensus on subjects in which there is none and please stop spreading false information about subjects you clearly don’t understand .

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https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/g24/060/57/pdf/g2406057.pdf

https://documents.un.org/doc/undoc/gen/g24/060/57/pdf/g2406057.pdf

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ThisFluentBiscuit · 20/04/2025 13:06

Inarutinarut · 20/04/2025 11:49

I believe most terfs are concerned about the minority, the women in domestic violence shelters, rape crisis centres, in hospital and prison rather than who is peeing in the cubile next to them in John Lewis.

Not true; TERFs don't want a trans woman in the cubicle next to them even if she's had her penis and balls removed and has had lots of hormone therapy, and passes completely as female. TERFs still don't want them there and they are unconcerned about what harm might come to her if she uses the men's, post-transition. See the recent thread on here ("How to live in the female gender") written by someone who has fully transitioned and was told by numerous posters to stay out of female toilets. TERFs are completely and utterly compromising, they don't want transwomen to exist, they deny that they exist, and they don't care about their safety. It's the new hate.

Soontobe60 · 20/04/2025 13:06

Tandora · 20/04/2025 13:04

This is not true. The UN only last year (2024) adopted an international resolution on the rights of intersex people using the language of intersex. Please stop assuming consensus on subjects in which there is none and please stop spreading false information about subjects you clearly don’t understand .

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Would that be the same UN who think men can be women?

VickyEadieofThigh · 20/04/2025 13:06

Tandora · 20/04/2025 13:04

This is not true. The UN only last year (2024) adopted an international resolution on the rights of intersex people using the language of intersex. Please stop assuming consensus on subjects in which there is none and please stop spreading false information about subjects you clearly don’t understand .

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They're still male or female. Just because the UN adopts out of date terminology doesn't mean it's "not true" that a lot of people with DSD conditions dislike the use of the term.

Scentbird · 20/04/2025 13:07

ThisFluentBiscuit · 20/04/2025 13:06

Not true; TERFs don't want a trans woman in the cubicle next to them even if she's had her penis and balls removed and has had lots of hormone therapy, and passes completely as female. TERFs still don't want them there and they are unconcerned about what harm might come to her if she uses the men's, post-transition. See the recent thread on here ("How to live in the female gender") written by someone who has fully transitioned and was told by numerous posters to stay out of female toilets. TERFs are completely and utterly compromising, they don't want transwomen to exist, they deny that they exist, and they don't care about their safety. It's the new hate.

How is not wanting them in female spaces not wanting them to exist?

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