Trans protest- sharing for balance

[Tandora]

There’s a thread sharing some really awful images from the protest, so I wanted to share some positive ones for the sake of some perspective/ balance.
A lot of people are really understandably incredibly angry and overwhelmed by the events of the last few days. But most people who support trans rights absolutely don’t condone fighting oppression and injustice with misogyny.

you are a shit stirer.

im sure insulting me makes you feel better, but it doesn’t do much else

I’m 100% that the op has very direct knowledge of what a TW is.

I am here for it!

Please Tandora. We have been asking you for years. You told us you found a huge amount of information for your thesis, but you cant' be bothered to shared it so you keep telling us to go and google.

On this thread you have said that in the past you had shared many links and lots of evidence. If this is the case, please link it up. In fact, since you are obviously the most qualified person on MN on this topic, why not start an archive thread with all that evidence you have found so you can simply link to it whenever we ask?

Those are just ordinary pro-trans ideology signs. What makes them particularly positive?

And you are unwilling or unable to produce even a tiny bit of evidence of scientific proof on this thread?

So trans women / girls who use the female loos are inherently predatory?

Agree with this.

The issue is no non consenting women in a state of undress in them.

You often see this. When some women say 'we would gladly share third spaces and take our clothes off with you' they won't do. The goal is the non consenting ones. Which would suggest that there's something about the experience of power over those non consenting women and their responses that must be particularly rewarding.

I am bothered whether or not a man in an enclosed space where I need to be in a state of undress is a predator or not. But even if he's bloody lovely I still do not want him there. I know many lovely safe men in my life: it hasn't changed my desire for privacy from them, and actually part of why they are lovely and safe is that they have respect for other people's feelings and consent.

https://www.nature.com/articles/518288a
the above directly refutes the 0.018% claim by showing it ignores subtle but biologically significant variations (e.g., XXY, CAH).

Your 0.018% figure comes from a 2002 opinion piece ignoring modern science. Either you’re ignorant of the data or deliberately cherry-picking. Which is it?

They're not designated for a specific gender - they're designated for a specific sex (as in male/female toilets).

I don’t exist to justify myself to you. I’m just here trying to offer a little balance/ interrupt the constant stream of transphobic noise on mumsnet.

I’d be very embarrassed to be in that sort of company myself, but you do you …

Transphobic simply meaning in this sense, women who won't enable men.

Sure.

Transphobic means hated, prejudice, fear , discrimination directed at trans people

I think the issue here is that none of us can tell trans men what to do. We can, lawfully, tell males to stay out of our spaces, but we can't strong arm trans men into female spaces. I don't think anyone objects to third spaces for their safety and privacy.

Of course. I still like to ask her just in case she hopes to explain to us.

You’re just not doing it with any degree of finesse.
Or actual knowledge.

I do know what a trans woman is. I am asking you to clarify the commonality between a trans woman and a woman. Telling you still will not do that.

Open forum, no?

That's a good idea. I'd be very interested to read it.

But you did say you had repeatedly shared these links, and what was holding you back from sharing them here was our lack of interest.

Yet still you don't share them. What should we conclude?

The census question was developed by statisticians, not activists. Your attempt to blame 'lobbyists' is just conspiracy-mongering.

Funny how this needed to happen then?

https://fairplayforwomen.com/fair-play-for-women-wins-high-court-challenge-against-ons-census/

Thank you for your feedback 😂

Material reality is so very disappointing for people like you. I can understand why you prefer to outsource your thinking.