Trans protest- sharing for balance

[Tandora]

There’s a thread sharing some really awful images from the protest, so I wanted to share some positive ones for the sake of some perspective/ balance.
A lot of people are really understandably incredibly angry and overwhelmed by the events of the last few days. But most people who support trans rights absolutely don’t condone fighting oppression and injustice with misogyny.

I have some sympathy for your friend but women did not screw up the arrangement which had worked until TRA's screwed it up so please don't come and ask us for solutions. We didn't break it, it's not our job to fix it, we're just trying to protect women's rights.

If this is "balance" I'd hate to see unbalanced.

Good lord!

Trans people are born in the wrong body, they feel and know it and there are scientific studies that indicate this occurs in utero. Identifying as another sex, other than the one you’re born with, is of no threat to anyone else.

This is pure nonsense. How on earth would one be 'born in the wrong body'? What happened to the right body?

Sex is literally binary. Male and female. I’m so confused by the sign saying it’s not - what other sexes are there?!

Thanks for sharing this. Have been disgusted by other comments

Trans women are women 💖🏳️‍⚧️

The very fact that you don’t think men claiming to be women should be allowed in female sports is incredibly transphobic though.
Did you feel sorry for the r]double rapist Isla / Adam when he was transferred back into a male prison? Should he have been given unfettered access to incarcerated females so that he could carry on raping?

Nope. I mean to avoid giving the completely wrong impression that that’s what these protests are all about by cherry picking a few bad apples and presenting/ publicising only that side of the story.

It’s exactly like when people try to deflect/ detract from the really legitimate aims (and tactics) of protests for Palestine by trying to paint all protesters as supporters of terrorism.

These protests were a peaceful demonstration against a dangerous form of fascism which is taking greater and greater hold of UK institutions in recent years.

Ooh, you're one of those people who's found the third gamete! Do contact the Nobel committee about this "third sex" you've found!

There are only TWO sexes. The existence of people with DSDs does not prove there are any additional sexes.

Transwomen are men. You know this. Why are you lying about it?

This is a genuine question because to me, this is hugely complex and there are valid points on both sides...

If sex isn't binary, then that means that we don't have just men and women, we have something in between.

At the same time, saying trans women are women is saying no we don't have something in between, they're just women.

Couldn't we agree that we have men, women, but then we have trans men and women who are in between in whatever way that is the case, and so women's biological rights are one thing; we must have just as strong rights for trans men and women too, but they should be fit for the trans needs not just adopt women's rights?

People with DSD are not a third sex
Dependent on what chromosomal disorder etc they are born with they’re either female or male
sex is utterly binary

To save us the trawling, can you link to your thread?

They never actually had those rights, they just took them.

None are homophobic, none are factually incorrect, I couldn’t care less about spelling pedantry. 😘

The "fascism" taking hold of UK institutions? The vast majority of institutions have been utterly and completely captured by Stonewall's lies about the Equality Act 2010. The Supreme Court judgement merely clarified that when the Act refers to "women" it means those of the female sex.

Using the word "fascism" undermines any sort of argument you might have and demonstrates you have no understanding of what fascism actually is.

God I am soooo bored of this mass trantrum already. I just want to enjoy Easter.

Trans ideology is misogyny, not anti-trans ideology (whatever that is.)

By literal definition they are not

I must say, I'm as GC as they come but I've always echoed the sentiment of that particular placard. It's men that are the problem. Transwomen trying to escape abuse and violence they get from men in say, toilets, think they will by using the women's. Predatory men then exploit the loophole this creates by giving them the same access to women's toilets by default.

So transwomen having access to women's spaces doesn't solve their issue - because the men they say they're trying to escape have the same free access to just follow them into whichever space they go. And as you rightly pointed out, they don't typically carry a neon sign that says WARNING I'M A PREDATORY MAN. So the only group actively harmed more by this are women, the trans community suffer the same risk of harm as they did when they used the toilet of their respective sex. So it's not a solution, it just puts 2x vulnerable groups at risk instead of one. And the culprit - violent and abusive men - suffer no consequences whatsoever.

Really oversimplified and clumsy way of putting it but hopefully people get the idea of what I mean. If predatory men are the issue, why push into women's spaces in such a way that the predatory men can easily follow, rather than target the true issue at source (no idea how though).

Are you seriously trying to be part of MNHQ with that username 🤣🤣🤣

Think you’ll find the Supreme Court disagree btw. Did you missed the news last week

I get why trans women feel unsafe using the male facilities.The answer to that is not to force women to use toilets with biological males.

The answer to that is a 3rd space. But that’s not what TRAs or even the majority of transwomen and their supporters are campaigning for. They want access to all women’s spaces.

Transwomen being at risk from violence men in a male issue. The solution is to not put women at risk and expect women to accept it.

i appreciate your friend is being considerate but the vast majority at respecting women to accept the increased risk and be happy about it. Hence the mass protests and tantrums that biological males won’t be allowed free access to any women’s spaces. They don’t a 3rd safe space.

The right body got stolen by some uppity bitch who is talking back right now?

Well quite.

Transwomen, particularly those that transition in later life, don't experience things like the Pay Gap, the lived experience of growing up with wolf whistles as a teenage girl, the virtual guarantee of being sexully assaulted, groped, being told to Smile, Love, being expected to deal with all the stuff in the Barbie film - nice but not too nice, often in relation to men: be nice to them, flirt but don't lead them on, flatter but don't sleep your way up etc.

Transwomen have very valid difficulties and a different lived experience that we should absolutely try to understand and support, but it is a different experience and this is where erasure happens - when we try to say transwomen are women - because the lived experience of both are different and should be treated differently if we want actual better and equal rights for both. That's why the equality act protects Sex and Gender Reassignment

Exactly!