Trans protest- sharing for balance

[Tandora]

There’s a thread sharing some really awful images from the protest, so I wanted to share some positive ones for the sake of some perspective/ balance.
A lot of people are really understandably incredibly angry and overwhelmed by the events of the last few days. But most people who support trans rights absolutely don’t condone fighting oppression and injustice with misogyny.

Can’t say what we’ve got in common either.

Absolutely. But no one cares about banning trans men from men’s spaces. People keep saying so.

No, is it fascism when non-trans men are banned from women's spaces?

Sorry if I've missed it, the thread is moving fast - have you answered the question about gamates other than egg and sperm yet, OP?

You don't have a bloody clue what fascism is, do you?

The judgment says that when using the single sex exemptions to create a single sex space for members of one sex and exclude the opposite sex, you have to actually exclude all members of the opposite sex. Otherwise - no shit Sherlock - it is not a single sex space and you are just randomly discriminating against some people for no good reason.

@Tandora I'm sad that you won't answer my question about why you think it's OK to prevent transwomen from competing in women's sports sections. I guess we will all have to draw our own conclusions as to why you won't answer this specific question.

Because trans men aren’t going around sexually assaulting men.

And also why 95% want to retain their genitalia. That’s not gender dysphoria.

Autogynaephilia - sexual fetish of being aroused seeing yourself as your idea of woman and having others treating you as that too.

I completely agree with you.

You are you, I am me. Different, but equally important as humans.

The question was, is it fascism when men are banned from women's single sex spaces?

If not, why not?

A woman being raped at a hospital ward and that gaslight that there was no man on the ward.

this was the moment that I ‘peaked’.

The same reason they won’t answer the commonality between women and trans women and what the difference is between men and trans woman. Because they cannot answer it without undoing everything they’re claiming.

Does anyone else remember the TW who tried to take center parcs to task for not allowing him to use the female open changing room?

Anyone familiar with CP will know that they have a massive amount of single and family cubicles (which most people use), an open female changing and an open male changing (so people nakedly changing with no cubicles).
Mr TW was kicked out of the open changing room and tried to kick off about it, which sums up what they want. They don’t just want to pee, they want to take over women’s spaces and take away women’s rights to boundaries. Every time TW protest about their fucking rights (which they have as much as the next person) it proves that this is what they want.

They don’t give a shit about women’s rights, and sadly neither do loads of women.

I wonder if Hippo was more in search of something like the Dhenje Swedish cohort study?

Many threads on FWR but I am sure Hippo would prefer to locate and digest without interpretation.

(Helpful chart you shared.)

I have read much of it , plus a fair amount of analysis / commentary. I confess I haven’t gone through the full 88 pages in detail, I don’t think many have yet. Most of the major legal organisations are saying they also need time to fully go through and digest. If you already read and familiarised yourself with the full detail of a complex 88 page judgement , I do applaud you.

My fundamental no go is to walk alongside anyone who displays a banner that is deeply misogynistic and promotes capital punishment by hanging and witch burning. It's all a bit Badenoch and Reform UK.

Basically @Tandora you need to sort this out, you and many others I've no doubt. Best of luck.

What is it that makes a trans woman a woman?

It's not his body, obviously. So it must be his mind.

So you literally cannot believe trans women are women unless you believe there is a fundamental and significant difference between men and women's minds.

IS that what you believe Tandora?

No, the judgement does not say this. It merely enforces that in law, it's biological sex that is key.

Transwomen were never, and have never been allowed to use single-sex facilities for women, it's just that many ignored this (and some councils and places of employment bent over backwards to accommodate transwomen in a way that was detrimental to biological women. This is why they are so upset about the SC clarifying sex as biological sex.

To repeat, transpeople did not lose any rights in the Supreme Court ruling.

Thanks!

@Tandora

What is the definition of trans?

Do you accept that trans women were men and if so at what point are they no longer men and now women?

What is the minimum requirement to be trans?

Telling men however they identify the stay out of single sex spaces for women is not fascism nor is it aparthied. This shouldnt need saying, but here we are.

It is pretty offensive to those who have lived under fascism or apartheid to suggest that it is.

So you literally cannot believe trans women are women unless you believe there is a fundamental and significant difference between men and women's minds.
IS that what you believe Tandora?

No

But you were the one that said the ruling wasn’t clear and TWAW.

If the ruling wasn’t clear, nothing changed for them.

Apartheid? Are you fucking serious? You are a disgrace. Apartheid wasn’t women’s opinion, that wasn’t supported by the authorities and law.

You want to bring race into it? We can do that!

the ONS and prison Service do not directly publish crime rates in the way presented here. So unless the author did extra calculations, the numbers may be based on assumptions or selective interpretations.

have you looked at the sample size? It’s so tiny making it statistically unstable. The category “men who identify as women” isn’t a standard reporting category in most official stats — this suggests manual reclassification, which is subjective and biased!

please send me the direct link from ONS or ministry of justice. I’d love to see the report cos this wasn’t published by them.

You’re most welcome

And again, is it fascism to ban men from women's toilets?

People often say segregation is a terrible thing, but I am very curious if they extend this to excluding men from women's spaces at all.