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Trans protest- sharing for balance

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Tandora · 20/04/2025 11:47

There’s a thread sharing some really awful images from the protest, so I wanted to share some positive ones for the sake of some perspective/ balance.
A lot of people are really understandably incredibly angry and overwhelmed by the events of the last few days. But most people who support trans rights absolutely don’t condone fighting oppression and injustice with misogyny.

Trans protest- sharing for balance
Trans protest- sharing for balance
Trans protest- sharing for balance
Trans protest- sharing for balance
Trans protest- sharing for balance
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aylis · 20/04/2025 15:39

VanishingVision · 20/04/2025 15:32

She can't. Because we're not. And that's absolutely okay.

I wanted to reply to you earlier on your post where you mentioned how we had gone from an occasional workaround to massive overreach and just wanted to mention that the 'workaround' also wasn't consented to by women but was actually a decision made by doctors of their own accord without consultation with women. I add that not as a criticism to you but just as general info - there's a real sense of 'this is how it's always been and women didn't mind' in some quarters when in actual fact women had it imposed on us. This was also the case in some LGBT spaces.

But you're right about the current overreach - sorry I couldn't find your original post to respond to it directly.

Riaanna · 20/04/2025 15:39

Tandora · 20/04/2025 15:38

So you literally cannot believe trans women are women unless you believe there is a fundamental and significant difference between men and women's minds.
IS that what you believe Tandora?

No

So a woman is what?

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 15:39

JazzyJelly · 20/04/2025 12:07

They ARE the predatory men.

What, every person at the protest?

MoOp125 · 20/04/2025 15:39

Tandora · 20/04/2025 13:47

The type of fascism that is taking hold has nothing to do with science.

I have explained the science over and over again on anti-trans threads on mumsnet , very few people are interested in reading or engaging with it.

I am scientist. What you have explained has not scientific basis. You are just twisting the facts to suit your own narrative.

aylis · 20/04/2025 15:40

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/04/2025 15:35

You don't have a bloody clue what fascism is, do you?

The judgment says that when using the single sex exemptions to create a single sex space for members of one sex and exclude the opposite sex, you have to actually exclude all members of the opposite sex. Otherwise - no shit Sherlock - it is not a single sex space and you are just randomly discriminating against some people for no good reason.

If anything the reinforcement of male supremacy through trans privilege is more aligned with fascism.

Tandora · 20/04/2025 15:40

literallyarabbit · 20/04/2025 15:37

No, the judgement does not say this. It merely enforces that in law, it's biological sex that is key.

Transwomen were never, and have never been allowed to use single-sex facilities for women, it's just that many ignored this (and some councils and places of employment bent over backwards to accommodate transwomen in a way that was detrimental to biological women. This is why they are so upset about the SC clarifying sex as biological sex.

To repeat, transpeople did not lose any rights in the Supreme Court ruling.

No, the judgement does not say this
Yes agree as per my pp.

It merely enforces that in law, it's biological sex that is key

No it doesn’t say or do this. It says in the EA the word “woman” means biological woman and “sex” means “biological sex”. It’s about interpreting language in the statute, that’s it.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2025 15:41

Minuethippo · 20/04/2025 15:38

the ONS and prison Service do not directly publish crime rates in the way presented here. So unless the author did extra calculations, the numbers may be based on assumptions or selective interpretations.

have you looked at the sample size? It’s so tiny making it statistically unstable. The category “men who identify as women” isn’t a standard reporting category in most official stats — this suggests manual reclassification, which is subjective and biased!

please send me the direct link from ONS or ministry of justice. I’d love to see the report cos this wasn’t published by them.

You’re most welcome

Edited

I’m going to ask again, why would one group of men who identify as the opposite sex have a different rate of sexual offending than another group of men who don’t? Please show your working. Thanks in advance.

ViolasandViolets · 20/04/2025 15:41

My fundamental no go is to walk alongside anyone who displays a banner that is deeply misogynistic and promotes capital punishment by hanging and witch burning. It's all a bit Badenoch and Reform UK.

You have your parties mixed up. Calling for hanging, decapitation and raping people who refuse to follow their belief system is the purview of the SNP, Greens and many in Labour.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/04/2025 15:41

Minuethippo · 20/04/2025 15:38

the ONS and prison Service do not directly publish crime rates in the way presented here. So unless the author did extra calculations, the numbers may be based on assumptions or selective interpretations.

have you looked at the sample size? It’s so tiny making it statistically unstable. The category “men who identify as women” isn’t a standard reporting category in most official stats — this suggests manual reclassification, which is subjective and biased!

please send me the direct link from ONS or ministry of justice. I’d love to see the report cos this wasn’t published by them.

You’re most welcome

Edited

Let's simplify it then.

The number of male sex offenders housed in women's prisons should be zero.

Is it currently zero, or more than zero?

cardibach · 20/04/2025 15:41

Tandora · 20/04/2025 13:56

I have repeatedly explained the science behind sex, gender and transness, including posting links to all kinds of research: it is of zero interest to the vast majority of mumsnetters . People are not interested, they have already decided what they believe and they are completely radicalised into that singular viewpoint.

Do you think none of the women who are GC have read or understood any science? You must know that the bulk of it says the there are only 2 sex classes in mammals?
Someone here is radicalised. It’s not people who are GC.

pirateshirt · 20/04/2025 15:41

You have to wonder what has gone wrong in OP's life to be blindly defending something she is actually so ill-informed about. It's all very odd.

Scentbird · 20/04/2025 15:42

Tandora · 20/04/2025 15:40

No, the judgement does not say this
Yes agree as per my pp.

It merely enforces that in law, it's biological sex that is key

No it doesn’t say or do this. It says in the EA the word “woman” means biological woman and “sex” means “biological sex”. It’s about interpreting language in the statute, that’s it.

So why are they protesting against the SC ruling.

Thats what the protest is for.

What devastation has been caused?

aylis · 20/04/2025 15:42

Tandora · 20/04/2025 15:36

I have read much of it , plus a fair amount of analysis / commentary. I confess I haven’t gone through the full 88 pages in detail, I don’t think many have yet. Most of the major legal organisations are saying they also need time to fully go through and digest. If you already read and familiarised yourself with the full detail of a complex 88 page judgement , I do applaud you.

Most of us have bothered to read it, which is different from presenting a thesis on it. You haven't done the basics and are here trying to dictate to women what it means.

Tandora · 20/04/2025 15:42

Scentbird · 20/04/2025 15:38

But you were the one that said the ruling wasn’t clear and TWAW.

If the ruling wasn’t clear, nothing changed for them.

Apartheid? Are you fucking serious? You are a disgrace. Apartheid wasn’t women’s opinion, that wasn’t supported by the authorities and law.

You want to bring race into it? We can do that!

Apartheid? Are you fucking serious?

yes . Did you just say that apartheid wasn’t enforced by authorities and the law? Baffled.

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MarieDeGournay · 20/04/2025 15:42

Sarahconnor1 · 20/04/2025 15:38

Telling men however they identify the stay out of single sex spaces for women is not fascism nor is it aparthied. This shouldnt need saying, but here we are.

It is pretty offensive to those who have lived under fascism or apartheid to suggest that it is.

In fairness, until I read Tandora's definition of fascism, I had a completely mistaken idea of what went on in Europe between 1939 and 1945🙄

For clarity: thank you Sarahconnor1, I completely agree with your comment.

SeedyHotel · 20/04/2025 15:43

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 15:39

What, every person at the protest?

Yes if they’re protesting the single sex clarification of the EA2010.

Every single one of them wanting men to have access to women’s single sex spaces is a predator. I’ll happily die on this hill.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/04/2025 15:43

Tandora · 20/04/2025 15:42

Apartheid? Are you fucking serious?

yes . Did you just say that apartheid wasn’t enforced by authorities and the law? Baffled.

Is it apartheid to have separate toilets for men and women?

Wouldn't that mean that most of the world is currently living under apartheid?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/04/2025 15:43

Tandora · 20/04/2025 15:40

No, the judgement does not say this
Yes agree as per my pp.

It merely enforces that in law, it's biological sex that is key

No it doesn’t say or do this. It says in the EA the word “woman” means biological woman and “sex” means “biological sex”. It’s about interpreting language in the statute, that’s it.

This is complete nonsense. It’s 88 pages which you haven’t read. What do you think it actually talks about?

ViolasandViolets · 20/04/2025 15:43

CleverButScatty · 20/04/2025 15:39

What, every person at the protest?

All the men (regardless of their identity) yes. They are predating on women’s spaces, sports, and language.

WearyAuldWumman · 20/04/2025 15:43

Tandora · 20/04/2025 15:38

So you literally cannot believe trans women are women unless you believe there is a fundamental and significant difference between men and women's minds.
IS that what you believe Tandora?

No

Interesting. So no significant difference between the male mind and the female mind?

So what is the difference between a man and a woman?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/04/2025 15:44

SeedyHotel · 20/04/2025 15:43

Yes if they’re protesting the single sex clarification of the EA2010.

Every single one of them wanting men to have access to women’s single sex spaces is a predator. I’ll happily die on this hill.

Some of them might just be idiots who haven't read or understood the judgment and never met a bandwagon they didn't like.

Tandora · 20/04/2025 15:44

aylis · 20/04/2025 15:42

Most of us have bothered to read it, which is different from presenting a thesis on it. You haven't done the basics and are here trying to dictate to women what it means.

If you have read the full 88 page judgement then good for you. I’ve read parts of it, plus analysis/ commentary. If you believe my interpretations are wrong then you are very free to say so and explain why based on having read the full 88 pages,

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SternJoyousBee · 20/04/2025 15:44

Tandora · 20/04/2025 14:44

Spaces that are designated for a specific gender

But how many genders are there?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/04/2025 15:45

Tandora · 20/04/2025 15:40

No, the judgement does not say this
Yes agree as per my pp.

It merely enforces that in law, it's biological sex that is key

No it doesn’t say or do this. It says in the EA the word “woman” means biological woman and “sex” means “biological sex”. It’s about interpreting language in the statute, that’s it.

How do you know what it does or doesn't say? You just admitted you haven't read it.

aylis · 20/04/2025 15:45

pirateshirt · 20/04/2025 15:41

You have to wonder what has gone wrong in OP's life to be blindly defending something she is actually so ill-informed about. It's all very odd.

I'm sure I'm not the only one with a theory

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