Trans protest- sharing for balance

[Tandora]

There’s a thread sharing some really awful images from the protest, so I wanted to share some positive ones for the sake of some perspective/ balance.
A lot of people are really understandably incredibly angry and overwhelmed by the events of the last few days. But most people who support trans rights absolutely don’t condone fighting oppression and injustice with misogyny.

Self inflicted? Wtf!! Men can get breast cancer, not only trans women! My God what an uneducated and rotten comment

This here.

Many activists enjoy this aspect. And they like getting attention. It’s a power trip, often.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/hospital-says-patient-could-not-26506744

This is insane

I don't understand why, if transwomen are women, TRA defaced a statue of Millicent Fawcett, a woman who campaigned for women's rights, given the fact it is only because of women like her they even have (being women, you say) the vote, among many other basic rights that were long-denied.

You'll never convince me that a male can become a woman. There are only males and females, and only females cand be women. I'm sorry if that hurts someone's feelings.

People can dress as they like, adopt whatever mannerisms they like, but it can't change the fact that men aren't women. That means they can't (or shouldn't) have access to spaces reserved for females. If they find that hurtful, that's too bad. Frankly, even if they believe it's dangerous for them, that's too bad. It's still not sufficient reason to take over female-only spaces, competitions, etc.

Why are trans activists so fucking racist?

And transwomen are men.

That’s not logical. They are a subset of the group ‘men’. It’s not saying you don’t want flautists to exist if you say they are orchestral musicians. They can be both.

Let’s see the stats for your last comment please? Reference please

I think that someone already posted the stats above.

ETA They were certainly posted several times on a similar thread yesterday.

Has OP gone to research a definition of woman that makes any sense to anyone other than “because o say so”?

Because it's a statue, so can't defend itself.

Because MF was a suffragette and feminist who helped women become emancipated and allowed to vote.

Because TRAs hate women (or anyone, but mostly women) who say no to them.

Because most TRAs are MRAs who hate women.

And actually, transwomen are five times more likely to be imprisoned for sexual offences than men.

Cancer is an interesting one - DH got tested for the BRCA gene because he has a Jewish grandmother (and the BRCA gene disproportionally affects them) and the differences between the implications of he had it versus his female cousins was stark. Thankfully he didn’t have it

@Tandora how do you define women then - because you don’t believe biological sex is binary and you don’t believe in the female brain so what makes someone a woman to you?

Okay so both of the transwomen I know personally are a neighbour and a family member.

They are both also sex offenders.

I know the plural of anecdote isn't data. But still, this graph rings true. 😔

My daughters have both been converted to the trans rights cause. TWAW etc. It's caused huge rifts.

I have six second cousins who are trans men. They're all autistic.

I find it very hard not to identify with some of the statistics and research put there, whilst wanting to protect marginalised people. But I will not simply listen to a vested interest group and blindly follow what they say.

@Tandora to the SC ruling wasn’t clear?

So what was the protest for? What were the TRAs protesting against?

Surely that whole protest wasn’t just because some women (you claim not that many) have an opinion.

You think that’s normal behaviour? Doing all the horrendous things they did at the protest. Because some women have an opinion they don’t like? Where did the devastation come from then?

and I may have missed it, but who are the predatory men the sign is talking about in your first post?

It would be interesting if you stated in advance if the provision of references would change your mind or perspective.

Also, if you indulge in whataboutery wrt sources.

Why did Transdora go away when the other Transwomen came to speak?

@Tandora as you haven’t linked to the thread you’re complaining about, I’ve searched for it and am just sharing it here. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5318216-tras-deface-millicent-fawcett-statue

For balance.

Everybody has right to access public facilities from hospitals to education to public toilets but with the right comes a responsibility to abide with the social contract.

In the UK that social contract has the backing of legislation voted on by elected members of parliament which says that single sex spaces must be split by sex ( so either for women or for men) and the other sex has no righ of access.

@Tandora re it being a complex situation.

Have you heard of Occam’s razor?

So in this situation what’s more likely - humans have found a way to magically change sex but there’s no scientific way of detecting this change, but the person says they have and demands the rest of the world agrees.
Or
Trans women are men.

Which one would you bet your last pound on?

There is nothing female about TW. I don’t even want to call them women in any part any more because they’ve created so much upheaval, trauma and heartache for so many women, in a way that any real woman just wouldn’t do.

Maybe gone to actually read the judgement they didn't bother to read before steaming in.

Outing to those who know me but I'm Jewish and have the mutations on BCRA1 and BRCA2, something that's actually quite rare. 1 in 40 Ashkenazi Jews carry the BCRA mutation, as do Eastern Europeans, although at a lower rate. (The rate is Sephardi Jews is much lower). Most of the women in my family have died of breast or ovarian cancer, and the men of pancreatic, another common cancer for those with a BCRA mutation.

Glad your DH is ok!

@Minuethippo You're welcome