Trans protest- sharing for balance

[Tandora]

There’s a thread sharing some really awful images from the protest, so I wanted to share some positive ones for the sake of some perspective/ balance.
A lot of people are really understandably incredibly angry and overwhelmed by the events of the last few days. But most people who support trans rights absolutely don’t condone fighting oppression and injustice with misogyny.

You are being too literal.

@Tandora why do you think that transwomen shouldn't compete in women's sports sections?

Because trans women are women. They are not men.

Trans women are trans women
Women are women
Men are men
Trans men are trans men

Done.

Can you post a link to your other thread OP?

I am interested. Please can you repost?

You are born with a penis, you are male.
You are born with a vagina, you are female.

Identify as whoever or whatever you want, but the above is immutable.

The majority are fucked off with pandering to the minority in this world. Respect the facts, and learn to with them, (or don’t). Most of us could not give a shit, so don’t expect any special treatment.

Exactly what 'gendered' spaces do you mean?

Yes can you answer this please.

We all know why, why ask the question?

In the UK, we have thousands of furious man children having meltdowns and saying they're being genocided- because they've been told they'll need to use the gent's for a pee.

Statements like this are why people are so angry. You do not understand the harm that you do.

Because they are not women.

Oh the irony of your post, what you're accusing us of is actually what yourself and the trans activists are doing.

Women make up around 50% of the UK population but we're expected to let less than 1% ie trans women so men tell us what a female is and that they can enter any safe space for women.

I was sympathetic to the trans cause when it was about wearing what you want and calling yourself a different name, but not now and not at the expense of actual women.

Have you or any trans activists stopped to wonder why there isn't the same discussion going on about trans men, that's because trans men are not men but women who quietly go about there life without trying to enforce their beliefs on others. What do you think men would have to say about that.

Actual women are not anti-trans, we are just pro-women, there's a difference.

Biologically they are

You can't talk people into a different sex

Spaces aren’t gendered, they are split by sex.

Parent spaces do not other parents and allow parents with opposite sex children to use toilet facilities with comfort and dignity.

Don't be silly. How does me, sitting in my home, fairly certain that transwomen are biologically men make it impossible for any of them to live as trans people?

Sex, as defined as the biological sex you are born with, trumps gender I’m afraid. Gender is indeed a social construct, I agree with that. A woman shouldn’t have to be feminine and a man doesn’t have to be masculine, but sex is immutable and is far more important for myriad reasons than how feminine or masculine you feel in personality or interests. It’s actually completely irrelevant what gender you feel and in perpetuating those gender stereotypes, you’re insulting both the sexes. It’s sex based rights which matter, for very important reasons.

Take 4. What’s the biological difference between a trans woman and a man?

or the commonalities between a trans man and a woman.

Can’t imagine why you cannot answer this.

How many of the other people at those protests shouted those people down? Said ' not in our name', took the placards off them? If the majority disagreed then they would have easily been overwhelmed.

The healthcare that trans people ask for very much puts them in danger as they want to be treated as the opposite sex, which is all well and good until a transman has a hysterectomy and the surgeon finds a 4 month foetus there.
All well and good until prostate cancer is left untreated because a TW hasn’t been screened, or cervical cancer.

Particularly once known what a waste of space WPATH was, yet the NHS practically rolled over in front of them and capitulated without a second glance.

The whole thing is dangerous and idiotic. The lack of critical thinking from apparently intelligent people is terrifying. And that’s the drs, teachers, mental health care professionals, all people you’d assume to have a reasonable level of intelligence. But nope, all as thick as pig shit when it comes to letting men in women’s spaces. Jesus wept.

And a whole thread to celebrate this when a bunch of feminists were attacked in a very male way? Fucking hell.

You obviously hate women. YABVU.

@Tandora - what is wrong with being a transwoman?? Genuinely. Why can't 'women are women' and 'transwomen are transwomen' be true? Why do you insist that transwomen are women?

And a society that organises itself around the belief that womenhood and femaleness is a mental difference rather than a physical one is a society in which the female half of humanity, despite manifestly having challenges and risks that male people do not due to both direct physical differences and due to how society has historically empowered and structured itself around male prriorities, needs and desires and marginalised the priorities, needs and desires of female people, has no existence or voice in law or society as a meaningful group in its own right.

Frankly, I'm with the women (original sex based meaning) on this one.

Spaces that are designated for a specific gender

probably very juvenile of me, but picture 3 placard 'this lesbian says transwomen are women' ok good, what happens if said lesbian gets together with a trans woman, thinking she's a woman, and when they get down to the nitty gritty, she finds herself with a man?

There have been times when I been out and about and the toilets are out of order or there is a very long queue, so therefore I haven't been able to go. I never felt like my existence was denied or that I wasn't suddenly a part of society.