Trans protest- sharing for balance

[Tandora]

There’s a thread sharing some really awful images from the protest, so I wanted to share some positive ones for the sake of some perspective/ balance.
A lot of people are really understandably incredibly angry and overwhelmed by the events of the last few days. But most people who support trans rights absolutely don’t condone fighting oppression and injustice with misogyny.

Like what?

Can you explain HOW it affects ‘transmen’ just as badly?

They seem rather keen to continue using the spaces for their (female sex) and trans activists are desperate for the ‘muscley, hairy ones to do that (to ‘own the feminists’ or something…) so no change there.

There is no change to the situation with primogeniture and inheritance because the men who identify as women had that sewn up to benefit themselves directly and not ‘transmen’ in the GRA.

It means that a transman with a GRC could still take a place reserved for women on public boards which would be relevant if those boards are discussing biologically relevant issues that affect women.

Transmen with a GRC definitely benefit from protection under Maternity and Abortion law (which they wouldn’t have had if the ruling went the other way) - as they seem quite keen on doing the most womanly thing humanly possible and popping out babies.

So where IS all this detriment to ‘transmen’?? Do tell. Do you actually care?

Really? You can tell by just looking if someone is trans or not? Lol I assure you there’s a lot of women that can be mistaken for trans and vice versa.

Scout leaders, priests, TV stars, teachers, doctors, policemen....

Men would never go to any trouble to access vulnerable people to abuse, aye?

Statistically women are more likely be attacked by a known male than your man in the dark. Why? Because those men - family members or men with professional status - have more easy access. We have been forced to add men claiming special identities to that list.

Safeguarding is a blunt tool but it's not personal and what else can women do? Rapists and murderers don't wear signs. We are right not to trust men who transgress boundaries.

On the contrary, I think a sense of perspective and self-awareness, as well as the understanding that other people have feelings and rights too, would do these people the world of good.

I agree it’s important to recognise physical differences.

We have to recognise both, neither one should erase the other.

I take your point about integrating people into society and not separating them off. But my response to that is that we need to make same sex facilities more welcoming and inclusive towards people who are gender non-conforming. So, rather than trans women "integrating" into women's spaces, which makes women feel uncomfortable, we need to do more to ensure that spaces for biological men are safe and inclusive for transwomen. And likewise for transmen in female spaces.

Sex and gender are two different things, I don’t think you grasp that. Gender is irrelevant. Sex is what matters, for good reason.

Trans women are men, the only other thing they’ve ever been was a boy. That was determined in utero.
It’s completely proportionate to say that they can’t enter spaces for girls and women.
Replace ‘gender’ with ‘race’, should a white person who feels they were born in the wrong race/ skin colour, would it be disproportionate to say that a white person can’t ever enter spaces, or receive specific awards for black achievements?

Not allowing men, regardless of their gender identity, into women’s spaces, is not removing them from society.

There are no such spaces, they are designated on the basis of sex. See the Supreme Court ruling.

Can you explain HOW it affects ‘transmen’ just as badly?

If you actually care , I suggest you go ask some trans men . They will explain it to you:

@Alondra

Sigh.

As someone who has recently lost both breasts to cancer, I know a lot about this.

Both sexes can get breast cancer although it's smaller rates in biological men, something like 2%. If anything, because transwomen are taking oestrogen, they're actually more a risk of getting hormone based breast cancer because biological men still have breast tissue.

In biological women, it's almost 50% will get it in their lifetime, the older one gets, the more likely we are to get it. As biological women, transmen will get breast cancer too because regrettably, a mastectomy does not stop the risk, only reduce it to something like 5%. (More if they've not had ET, radiation or chemo).

No they aren’t.

You have admitted yourself they are not. There are differences.

Treating them as women is not acknowledging them. Changing the definition of women to try and make it apply to both trans women and women is attempting to erase both. And make things like seeking medical care more difficult.

If you know there’s a clear a difference you know transwomen aren’t women. Acknowledging transwomen for what they are isn’t erasure.

and if trans women are women, who are the Predatory men that the sign in your first post is talking about?

Same thing

It’s fine for them to erase women though.

I'm genuinely curious why this not terribly bright woman has taken this issue on as hers and is pouring out all this silly stuff repeatedly. And then, despite not being terrible bright, acting in this haughty, and at times, angry manner about it.

Trans women ARE "other", they are literally the other sex.

When are you people going to get it into your heads that trying to force women to accept trans women - particularly the violently misogynistic, dirty protesting kind - as being no different to women is OVER?

You lost the argument. Probably because you never had one in the first place.

The Supreme Court agrees with JK Rowling and not you.

If you want it to be different you now have to persuade Parliament that female people shouldn't be allowed to exist in law.

How is this denying trans people exist.

Men are Men
Women are Women
Transwomen are Tranwomen
Transmen are Transmen

They can all exist exclusively from one another.

Biologically of course that’s a different matter because trans women biologically are men and trans men biologically are women. That doesn’t mean they can’t live their lives as they wish in respect of the Equalities act for all and without removing the rights of women.

Those do not exist, but I agree it would be a great idea to have them.

But it’s not deeply oppressive to try and force women to share spaces with men that’s absolutely fine because we are just women and our feelings about it don’t matter. DFOD

I see you are arguing amongst yourselves. It’s almost like bodies, biology and medicine is complicated isn’t it?

Did you see the Supreme Court decision on women and what it means?

The women’s toilet is one.

Yup.

Every time I read this statement I feel like it’s the equivalent of someone telling me that The Moon is actually an Iranian Space Station and expecting me to accept that and still take them seriously because they both make about as much sense as the other i.e absolutely none.