Trans protest- sharing for balance

[Tandora]

There’s a thread sharing some really awful images from the protest, so I wanted to share some positive ones for the sake of some perspective/ balance.
A lot of people are really understandably incredibly angry and overwhelmed by the events of the last few days. But most people who support trans rights absolutely don’t condone fighting oppression and injustice with misogyny.

Breast cancer in men accounts for 1% of the Australian population and of that 1%, many cases happened because of radiation therapy.

Are you seriously trying to compare the rates of breast cancer in women to males to make a point in favour of trans?

Absolutely! TRAs have been threatening women for years. The violence and misogyny is male.

2% of breast cancer occurs in biological males as all human have breast tissue. Being trans heightens a MtF's risk of breast cancer due to heightened oestrogen, but as you correctly say males (who are not trans) are still at risk of it.

How many women there are in the UK times no. Knowing that sex trumps gender is not fascism.

You care about trans men’s access to healthcare do you?

This doesn’t make any sense. “Sex is not binary” but it literally is. It’s not even an opinion, it’s a fact. Gender is not binary, correct, and you can present however you like whether you’re a man or a woman. But you’re still a man or a woman. I’m actually wondering if a lot of TRAs are illiterate or struggle with reading comprehension?

How do we erase transwomen? Is it clapping or blowing out candles. How many can one person erase or is it only one each?

Asking for a friend obviously!

Sex is binary.
Trans women are men.
No lesbian accepts TW as lesbians because men cannot be lesbians.

Any and all men are predatory if they’re trying to get into women’s single sex spaces.
TW retain male patterns of behaviour, perfectly demonstrated by the attack on feminists at one of their protests.

I’m so sick of hearing that TWAW, when everything about them is male. Their vibe, their smell, the fucking awful way they treat women when women say no, the way they trample all over women, and the way they’ve groomed so many women to believe everything they say. It’s sickening and so fucking stupid of anyone to believe.

Why are you being so haughty and superior about this?

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Sex absolutely is binary.

In the Supreme Court rules, transpeople haven't lost any rights. All it did was clarify the meaning of woman in law. (And this is why many women were celebrating, because they wear right that under law, sex is absolutely biological.

And of course trans live matter, no-one is saying otherwise.

In order to be a transwoman, you have to be a biological man. That's just the facts, biological fact in fact!

To be clearl, I have no issues with transpeople and know they exist and have always done so. It's more TRAs I can't abide. They're the ones causing so much mess and bitterness.

Hope that helps.

So the first paragraph says you don't object to the judgement (which states that women's single sex spaces must be respected and protected.

But the second one says than banning trans women from all single sex women's spaces makes us fascists!

Genuine question but what is your objection to a third and fourth space for both trans men and women of their own. Or does come under your unique definition of fascism too?

If only these very sad men could reframe their trauma; surely they’d be able to move on…

If you insist that transwomen are men , you are denying, erasing their existence as trans people. If you organise society on the basis of that belief , and enforce it, you make it impossible for trans people to live as trans people.

OP, I haven't read the full thread, so I apologise if someone has already has asked this - but if sex is not binary, how many gametes are there? I'm only aware of two types - eggs and sperm.

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Trans women are by law and biological fact men who identify as women. That’s not erasure. It’s stating a fact.

No, ignoring the fact that transwomen are men is erasing their existence.

trying to redefine what a woman is so that you can claim transwomen are women is erasing trans women. And women.

I certainly wasn't. But stating that trans-identifying men - because they're men - don't get breast cancer isn't true. That the instances of male breast cancer are far fewer than those of female doesn't mean the original statement was true.

I care about access to healthcare for all human beings, regardless of how they like to dress or what they like to call themselves. And that includes mental health support for men and women who are confused about their "gender identity".

Contrary to what you might think, I don't hate trans people or wish them any ill at all. I think they should be protected and supported. I just don't think that the best way of doing that is by pretending that they are something that we know that they are not.

What is the definition of "healthcare" here?

Is anyone advocating for trans people to be blocked from receiving dental care, vaccinations, cancer treatment etc? No.

Now cosmetic procedures such as breast augmentation is not healthcare (unless if falls under the remit of reconstruction due to cancer), and no male or female should be receiving that on the NHS (unless due to cancer).

Channel your inner Michelle Obama... when they go low, we go high.

Why doesn’t the phrase “transwomen are women” erase their existence as trans people ?
Why don’t you say that “transwomen are transwomen “ instead ?

Genuine question but what is your objection to a third and fourth space for both trans men and women of their own.

Because trans people need to be included and integrated into society , not othered and outed and siloed in their engagement with basic public services. It’s totally disproportionate to say that trans people can never participate in gendered spaces in accordance with their gender. This will make society intolerable for the vast majority of trans people.

Around the world there are brave people fighting oppression. In Iran, women are killed for refusing to wear a headscarf. In Russia people are sent to gulags for criticising Putin. In Afghanistan, women face death for working as a midwife.

In the UK, we have thousands of furious man children having meltdowns and saying they're being genocided- because they've been told they'll need to use the gent's for a pee.