Trans protest- sharing for balance

[Tandora]

There’s a thread sharing some really awful images from the protest, so I wanted to share some positive ones for the sake of some perspective/ balance.
A lot of people are really understandably incredibly angry and overwhelmed by the events of the last few days. But most people who support trans rights absolutely don’t condone fighting oppression and injustice with misogyny.

Well your perspective is much more nuanced than most and I appreciate you for that.

Great, you can move on now then can't you? Were not interested in pandering to misogynistic men, you finally get it.

No it’s really not. It’s part of male power to not accept women’s lack of consent on this.

Look at how women are not listened to, including this thread.

lol.

Is sex isn’t binary then why do TRA say TWAW and want to be part of the binary choice of man and woman?

I would support TWATW as would many people who don’t believe that TWAW.

And yet under trans ideology a woman who calls herself a man (passing or not) expected to be safe if using the mens?

Its a bit of a conundrum

The only people trying to erase trans women are the people pretending transwomen are women.

Do I think there is any biological difference between those two groups? Of course.

Do I think that they should be treated exactly the same for all purposes? No.

@Tandora But do you agree that no Trans persons rights have been removed by the ruling by the supreme court ?

I think you’ll find that Scottish Egg is absolutely right.

Men that identify as women are as similar to women as any other man.

And if a man who identifies as a woman wore the same clothes as me ie. Sweatshirt, jeans and trainer, no make up etc no one would ever spot that he was trying to identify as a woman. What does that tell you?

I haven’t seen any postings of science behind transgender- apart from a few years back that were laughable ? I rather think if there was credible science it would greatly help

Look at how women are not listened to, including this thread.

women like me you mean?

They are men(literally) whose feelings might get a bit hurt , not fucking Tinker Bell!

"The science" of TRAs is akin to 'the science' of anti-vaxxers. There is no science to support dismantling women's rights in favour of an inner, unverifiable identity that aligns with social stereotypes.

Well that is some balanced good faith you’re displaying.

The mere fact that you’re framing this as anti trans rather than the women’s rights and equalities frame speaks entire libraries.

That's TWO words you don't understand: fascism and patriarchy.

I find that statement from the op deeply oppressive.

I always change my mind if I’m proved wrong, Tandora. I want knowledge and facts not dogma. I’ve never seen anything that proves men can become women.

What’s the biological difference between a cis man and a trans woman?

I find your fascism post offensive and your patriarchy post deeply oppressive.

And that's the ball game 👆

There was a lengthy one on a thread just yesterday about this judgement . Only one person engaged to say “yawn, don’t you have anything better to do, we’re not interested” or words to that effect.

Let's face it, trans have exactly the same rights as non trans under the EA. Exactly the same.

The issue for them (not all but TRA anyway) is that they want, demand and insist that in addition to equal EA rights they want the right to encroach female only spaces.

That's the nub of it for me. If they agree to use third spaces the issue is resolved to most people's satisfaction. But their raison d'etre is to access women's spaces, so a third space will never be good enough.

That's the reality isn't it?

Thank you for the response. So as a follow up question - what do you believe the differences in the treatment of those two groups of individuals should be?

😂😂 Men telling women to believe things that aren’t true in order to benefit men is the very definition of the patriarchy. Rarely have I come across someone as utterly brainwashed as this. Read some history about the fight for women’s rights ffs, preferably that was written by actual, biological women and not men role playing.

"Only men could oppress women for thousands of years, then turn around, put on a dress, and complain that they are the most marginalized group in society."
Kara Dansky