Neighbours go to bed 1am and up at 5am we are knackered , detached house.

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We can hear our neighbours running up and down the stairs , they shout in the house, they shout to each other from the house to the end of the garden.You can hear every word.We hear them in the bathroom , word for word.
The worst thing is that they get up early and shout at each other in the front garden and slam their car doors at least ten times because they are unorganized and spend ages packing the car / going back into the house and slamming their side gate.
Am I being unreasonable and a grumpy neighbour ?
I don't want to be woken up at 5 - 6 am every morning if I have been at work all week.
I am tearful and grumpy all the time.
If they come home at midnight I am asleep and I hear word for word what the are saying to each other, it's a conversation that could wait until they get inside.Of course slamming doors and telling each other who needs a wee or a poo or a cup of tea or a shower first.
I know exactly who and when needs a poo , needs to put on deodorant, what activities they are going to , what they are having for dinner etc etc , with the windows and doors shut. Three generations living there and three children.
Our house is detached .

Funny how everybody assumed it was a new build - and it turns out to be a 1930's house. 😂
Not sure why OP would be in the garden so early and so often to hear noise from a neighbour.
I can't imagine being in a detached house and hearing a neighbour inside their home - barely seems possible.

Sounds like a low quality house x very loud people.

We’re loud, just three of us. But the house is sound.

I sympathise OP, as I have loud neighbours, although this did improve when I told them I could hear their conversations. ( Think they were embarrassed! )
Could you have a conversation and ask if they can keep noise levels down between 11.30 and 7am?
Agree with using earplugs etc

How are they living off 4 hours sleep a night? Missing point of thread. lol

Are your houses very close to each other? Do you have double glazing?

I'm just a bit confused as my current house is detached, as was my previous (which was pretty close to one of the neighbours) and I've never heard any of my neighbours going up and down the stairs in their houses and only heard shouting in the house if I'm right outside their houses or it's summer and the windows in both houses are open.

Read OPs responses now. I think you need to talk to your neighbours they may not realise. A friend of mine came to stay recently and wouldn't use the hairdryer after 9pm (she lives in a flat) but I never look at the time when doing stuff inside the house or garage - as long as windows and doors are shut - as I would assume noone can hear me. Maybe they are the same.

The only way any of this can be true is if they’re speaking loudly outside - yes you’d hear them from inside, detached or not.

If, as it sounds from your post, you are hearing them when YOU are outside, it sounds as though they have some windows open, and they are also loud people.

If they are VERY loud, your houses are close together and your windows AND their windows are both open, it may be possible to hear them from inside your house.

However, if that’s the case - when outside, you will hear neighbour noise if you have neighbours. If you’re inside, close your windows. If they’re making a real racket outside, and it’s the early hours of the morning, go and have a friendly chat with them and explain it’s waking you up. But that’s only if they’re shouting to each other etc - if what you’re hearing is them opening the car door, shutting their front door etc then there’s nothing you can do about it - it’s just part of having neighbours.

Keep a diary of the dates/times of the noise. Describe what the noise is and how it affects you. Once you've done that, contact your local noise abatement team in the council. If the noise is frequent and disturbs your quality of life, it's ant-social. The noise abatement team can install equipment if necessary to monitor noise levels and will take the issue up with the neighbours without mentioning where the complaint came from. They will issue an abatement notice if if levels of activity meets the criteria or ask the ASB Team to look at it if it doesnt.

I agree! The OP wouldn't be able to cope living in my terraced house 😂😂

I wondered this. Sounds like houses are made of cardboard.
Soundproof or move as someone said?

I agree with above, I,m in a new build detached and the new neighbours opposite seem to have a verbal confrontational relationship ..always out the fronts shouting,discussing,whether it be with each other or verbally ordering,controlling the kids,then the kids try the same controlling behaviour other kids in the cul de sac mi can hear it all when windows open, emotionally zapping x

You have my sympathy.. I am sick and tired of nightmare noisy neighbours. I just want piece and quiet in my own house & garden.
Our currently lot do exactly the same with cars doors when going out & coming back. One of them goes to work while I'm still (trying) to sleep.
DIY at all hours, shouting to each other, mainly it's her that the nightmare.
We have constant running up and down stairs, kids are teenage. And kicking a football all the time. It's impossible to sit in the garden or conservatory as tha 1t is all you can hear & the next thing it's being kicked on the roof or in my garden.
Wife is unbelievable and has screaming fits at the kids, actual screaming.
We are semi detached and I can hear everything in their house.
Wish I could afford to move somewhere where I could just enjoy being quiet.

I live in a flat surrounded by others and never hear my neighbours, the flats are very well insulated. Traffic noise from the main road was a problem until I installed double glazed acoustic glass windows. Now it's perfectly peaceful. Best investment I've made to date.

This could be peak MN admin plant story. I live in a detached house, which means fences between the properties. You cannot hear jack shit, leg alone walking up and down steps. Almost impossible. I suppose that's the point of the planted story, it drives traffic and creates debate.

A friend of mine could hear noises from one of her neighbours, despite the houses being detached (though quite close together). She did some investigating and found that the group of four detached houses had common foundations - the builder who built the four houses had poured one continuous concrete pad going under all four houses. The noises my friend was hearing were transmitted via that concrete pad. Something like that could explain some of what the OP is hearing.

Blimey I thought my tinnitus was bad but I have every sympathy for you and others on here.
Silence is a beautiful thing and I wish you all others that very soon!

We had neighbours from hell move in for the last five years that we lived in our 1960 semi. Banging doors and car door slamming from 4.20am when she used to get up for work and door slammings from 5.30am onwards at weekends! She didn't like her dogs being able to wander from room to room and refused to stop waking us up by keeping internal doors open! Their bedroom door had the loudest, sharpest clack that would reverberate through our entire house and she would clack it frequently after getting up in a morning! Also as soon as nice weather came, the radio would be on full blast everyday in the garden, the same boring station playing the same rubbish songs! In lock down it did put head in because it played the grim "stay home" message every ten minutes!

She and her husband was reluctant to change and given we had a road out front that was getting increasingly noisy with the boy racer, car modification trends these days, we knew we'd need to move. Our home we once never used to think we'd leave had become miserable to live in. The exhaustion was horrible especially as my partner and I are in jobs were we can't make mistakes through being so sleep deprived - I even told our neighbours that!!

We moved last year to a nice cul de sac with about ten 1980's detached houses on it and its lovely and peaceful. I can't hear my neighbours in their detached homes from my detached home.

In terms of declaring disputes when moving, we did a bit of research and you don't need to declare noise disputes because in the slim chance that a buyer ever finds out and questions it, it's seen as subjective as what one person finds noisy someone else doesn't.

Thing is in this day age, I look at my street and I look at recently built estates and they've got probably two or three times as many houses squeezed into the same amount of space, I can't imagine all the noise of young families and people coming and going to work at different times!

Such a helpful comment…. OP can hear it she doesn’t need to explain how.

This is a bit baffling - have you got terrible windows? Or are you just very very senstive to noise? We live in a thirties block of flats and barely hear our neighbours (all 64 of them!) Furthermore there is currently a building site next door and when our (double glazed) , windows are shut it really muffles the sound.

God another piece of misinformation…. You absolutely DO need to declare any disputes with neighbours when selling. It’s total bollocks that you don’t need to declare noise disputes

why is their gate attached to YOUR wall? Was it like this when you moved in or did they go ahead and attach a gate to your property? If it’s your land or bricks and mortar remove it.

apart from that I’m another confused about hearing all that in a detached house! Do they have all their windows open?

Well, you are correct in the sense that a dispute needs to be declared however the definition of what constitutes a dispute has some nuances. Police calls or requests for council intervention, yes, clearly a dispute. Complaining to your partner about a dog barking. Clearly no. Asking the neighbour a few times to keep the dog quiet, a grey area. Also if the ‘dispute’ is considered resolved, that doesn’t need to be declared either.

Yeah, this. @FlyMeSomewhere If you do hold back that you have had a neighbour dispute, (and you have complained about them to the council and/or the police,) and the new buyer finds out, they can sue you. There will be records with the council, and the police.

We had fucking horrible neighbours some 25 years ago (when we lived in a 2 bed semi detached house.) They played loud music constantly, they screamed and shouted a lot, and they told us to fuck off when we asked them to turn the music down as our children couldn't sleep. (They turned it up very loud and went out from 7pm to 1am, 2-3 nights a week. Leaving the music blasting out.) When DH said he will report them to the police if they don't quit, the 'man' said he'll 'smash his face in' if we do that.

It was horrific, and it forced us to leave. 8 months we tolerated them before we put the house up for sale, and it sold within 3 days of the 'sale sign' going up. Luckily they weren't in when the first viewer who put the offer in came to see the house. The sale went through in 6 weeks as we moved into private let for a little while, whilst we looked for somewhere else to buy..

5 years we had lived there happily, when they moved in and destroyed our happiness there. But we never reported them to anyone. To be honest we didn't know we could report them to the council as we were homeowners. (And we were afraid to report them to the police after they threatened us.)

They were homeowners too, but they had made a massive profit on a 'right to buy' on the big sink estate 2 miles up the road, then tried to 'better' themselves by moving into a new build, in a cul-de-sac on a private estate. But they carried on with the sink estate behaviour sadly... Playing their music loud, threatening us, screaming and shouting, parking cars on the front lawn, and having 10-15 people around for parties and barbecues every weekend, til 4 in the morning...

As we never reported anything, we had nothing to declare fortunately. But if you have reported it you will need to declare it. Should we have told the new buyers? Yeah probably. But we didn't. We needed to get out of that house for the sake of our sanity, our mental health, and our childrens welfare. (As I said, they were struggling to sleep because of the noise/the loud music, as were we!) The woman who bought it was buying it to rent out as a private let property, so we wished and prayed that anyone who moved into it was an absolute cunt.

You are are saying this as someone not in that situation! I complained to my neighbour about the noise at 4.20am and she did stop clacking her door so technically I would call that a dispute resolved. But what if somebody who moved in my house was also as early a riser and not bothered about the noise! Please feel free to research as much as I did! I decided against going down the council noise nuisance route because I knew I'd want to move house but you absolutely do not need to declare tit for tat encounters with neighbours about noise!

They can't sue you for not declaring about noise because it's so subjective! If everybody declared every dispute with a neighbour there'd be no housing market! Most people couldn't sell a house! I had to prioritise the wellbeing of my partner and me over what sanctimonious people like you think.

@FlyMeSomewhereyou posted:

“in terms of declaring disputes when moving, we did a bit of research and you don’t need to declare noise disputes because in the slim chance that a buyer ever finds out and questions it, it’s seen as subjectives as what one person finds noisy someone else doesn’t.”

This is incorrect.

In your situation you didn’t have any formal dispute. You asked your neighbour not to clack her door at 4:20 am and she stopped. that’s nothing to do with noise being subjective, it’s the fact that it was never a formal dispute and it was resolved because luckily that neighbour stopped clacking the door.

noise disputes absolutely do need to be declared on the SPIF when selling, along with any disputes about other things (boundaries, rubbish etc)