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Trans people

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Mog65 · 17/04/2025 16:46

Firstly, I'm a trans ally

Everyone is up in arms about trans women. What seems to be forgotten these people are human beings. Where is humanity. You have probably been sharing toilets and coming into contact with trans women every day and have no idea. You only hear about the few bad ones. In a public toilet, you go into a cubical and pee. Its not like you're sat there in full public view with your knickers at your ankles.

What has been forgotten also, as many females are changing to. So trans men. So you're in hospital in a ward. The woman in the next bed, identifys as George, clit is now a penis fully working and you're in the next bed! Same person can wander around female only spaces as the law has changed. George can now only be searched by a female. By the way George a transgender man is a pervert! All hypothetical but nobody has brought this up.

Just a thought.

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JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 21:06

BowTiesPinkTail · 17/04/2025 21:03

I, a cis woman, am very devastated for the trans population. We are moving backwards, not forwards in terms of equality. I will continue to teach my children that trans women are women, and trans men are men and that trans rights are human rights because I am not an inhumane monster.

And again, TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS for those at the back.

How are transwomen women?

Also to clarify: nobody ever claimed trans people aren’t human.

My 11yo DD celebrated with me yesterday, and we went out for a celebratory lunch today. She is a boxer, and wants to do it at least semi-professionally and is good enough to. She will now never have to be in a ring with a man. Or a changing room. It was something to celebrate.

Nameychangington · 17/04/2025 21:06

BowTiesPinkTail · 17/04/2025 21:03

I, a cis woman, am very devastated for the trans population. We are moving backwards, not forwards in terms of equality. I will continue to teach my children that trans women are women, and trans men are men and that trans rights are human rights because I am not an inhumane monster.

And again, TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS for those at the back.

Lol. If you want to teach your children that lies are true go ahead I guess. I'm sure that'll end well

WOMEN EXIST AND ARE HUMANS WITH RIGHTS.

HTH

BiologicalRobot · 17/04/2025 21:08

BowTiesPinkTail · 17/04/2025 21:03

I, a cis woman, am very devastated for the trans population. We are moving backwards, not forwards in terms of equality. I will continue to teach my children that trans women are women, and trans men are men and that trans rights are human rights because I am not an inhumane monster.

And again, TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS for those at the back.

You need to educate yourself as nearly everything you've said is wrong 😮

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 17/04/2025 21:09

Mog65 · 17/04/2025 16:53

The clitoris is used in the making of the penis.

Don't be silly.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 17/04/2025 21:10

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 21:06

How are transwomen women?

Also to clarify: nobody ever claimed trans people aren’t human.

My 11yo DD celebrated with me yesterday, and we went out for a celebratory lunch today. She is a boxer, and wants to do it at least semi-professionally and is good enough to. She will now never have to be in a ring with a man. Or a changing room. It was something to celebrate.

My 13 year old son was so happy too. He knows how ridiculous the whole thing was, he resented being told a pack of lies by a teacher at school. He’s fed up with time in school being taken up by it all.

Totallymessed · 17/04/2025 21:10

Another image from terfisaslur, the website that Hazel thinks is almost as bad as this thread. Remember, they only want to pee in peace, ladies!

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TheyreStillGoingWithThemPlumsKerr · 17/04/2025 21:10

Sparkling2006 · 17/04/2025 19:39

There’s really no reason to call these men transwomen. Many of them admit they get turned on by being referred to that way. Call them what they are, trans identified men, men who fantasise about being women.

Calling them transwomen plays into the idea they’re some sort of woman. They’re not, and never have been. We don’t need to use their language.

Edited

I couldn’t agree more! I really can’t get my head round the acceptance of the term ‘trans woman’ - they are not women (prefix or no prefix)

GCAcademic · 17/04/2025 21:11

BowTiesPinkTail · 17/04/2025 21:03

I, a cis woman, am very devastated for the trans population. We are moving backwards, not forwards in terms of equality. I will continue to teach my children that trans women are women, and trans men are men and that trans rights are human rights because I am not an inhumane monster.

And again, TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS for those at the back.

And women’s rights are human rights. And belong only to female people.

As the law states.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 17/04/2025 21:11

How are transwomen women?

Yes, I'd be interested to know this, too.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 21:12

BowTiesPinkTail · 17/04/2025 21:03

I, a cis woman, am very devastated for the trans population. We are moving backwards, not forwards in terms of equality. I will continue to teach my children that trans women are women, and trans men are men and that trans rights are human rights because I am not an inhumane monster.

And again, TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS for those at the back.

I feel sorry for your children, especially if any of them are girls.

MyUmberSeal · 17/04/2025 21:15

BowTiesPinkTail · 17/04/2025 21:03

I, a cis woman, am very devastated for the trans population. We are moving backwards, not forwards in terms of equality. I will continue to teach my children that trans women are women, and trans men are men and that trans rights are human rights because I am not an inhumane monster.

And again, TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS for those at the back.

Your poor children. We can’t choose our parents 🙃.

AllPlayedOut · 17/04/2025 21:15

MyUmberSeal · 17/04/2025 21:15

Your poor children. We can’t choose our parents 🙃.

Or our sex.

Sarahconnor1 · 17/04/2025 21:17

I know allies love the TWAW mantra, but do you really believe it 100%? I mean really.

Do you think this person who identifies as a women, is a women and so should be allowed in single sex spaces with women and girls? I know it's an exteme example, but its not the only example. Are you really teaching your children that this person is a women?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-adult-nappy-fetish-slept-35072576

Woman with adult nappy fetish slept in human waste bins to find 'comfort'

Abbi Taylor admitted stealing soiled nappy bags from a children's nursery, and smearing faeces on milk bottles before leaving them dotted around the car park

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woman-adult-nappy-fetish-slept-35072576

Panterusblackish · 17/04/2025 21:17

Mog65 · 17/04/2025 16:46

Firstly, I'm a trans ally

Everyone is up in arms about trans women. What seems to be forgotten these people are human beings. Where is humanity. You have probably been sharing toilets and coming into contact with trans women every day and have no idea. You only hear about the few bad ones. In a public toilet, you go into a cubical and pee. Its not like you're sat there in full public view with your knickers at your ankles.

What has been forgotten also, as many females are changing to. So trans men. So you're in hospital in a ward. The woman in the next bed, identifys as George, clit is now a penis fully working and you're in the next bed! Same person can wander around female only spaces as the law has changed. George can now only be searched by a female. By the way George a transgender man is a pervert! All hypothetical but nobody has brought this up.

Just a thought.

Tell that to the woman who was raped by a transwoman in an NHS, but the police did not investigate because the NHS said there were no men present.

Tell that to the victims of Katie Dolatowski who targeted children in women's toilets.

You can call youself an ally, but youre just a common or garden misogynist, because even if transwomen didn't present a danger to women, which they very clearly do, there is no excuse, none whatsoever for appropriating women's identities.

You don't see women as deserving of our own identities. You don't understand the oppression of patriarchy or the weight of the male gaze. To you, women are just lesser men with lipstick and long hair.

But no doubt you'd be outraged by any other form of appropriation.

So crawl back under that rock, because women don't give a fuck about your sexism dressed up as allyship.

Smallsalt · 17/04/2025 21:19

George is a woman. George is welcome in woman's spaces because George does not represent a danger to women. Nor does his NOT FULLY FUNCTIONING penis.

In fact to drive home the fact that women need women's safe spaces because of the danger that men can present to women, George would be very foolish indeed to use a male toilet.

George would also be very foolish to try to compete in male sport (not that he would be fast or strong enough to be selected, what with being a woman and all), because George would probably get seriously injured.

Should he embark on a life of crime, George would also be exceedingly foolish to demand incarceration in a male prison because George would probably not come out alive having been raped in every orifice.

Hope that helps given your sudden concern for George.

TheHateIsNotGood · 17/04/2025 21:20

The majority of trans-women are very sensitive and need women to protect them from those hairy fuckers who pretend to be trans - for a myriad of fucked up reasons - the new law helps us do that.

I'd like to think that men are also as accepting of trans-men too.

Helleofabore · 17/04/2025 21:21

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 20:29

When did i say they are an equivalent risk?

You cant label entire groups of people as something

Yet in establishing safeguarding risks we do actually assign the same risk level to all male people above a particular age. So effectively that is labelling an entire group as high risk.

And because there is no evidence at all that male people with transgender identities at any stage of transition are less risk than the general male population, they are very much included in that group.

ODFOx · 17/04/2025 21:22

AshesofTime · 17/04/2025 20:55

Wrong.

On what grounds? Fact or interpretation?

Sparkling2006 · 17/04/2025 21:22

This shit show is over. They’ll be no more be kind or claims of them just wanting to pee. The sheer volume of these men who are sexual predators will not be forgotten. Their threats wont be forgotten or the fact they recruited the police to arrest women who didn’t agree they were women.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 17/04/2025 21:23

BowTiesPinkTail · 17/04/2025 21:03

I, a cis woman, am very devastated for the trans population. We are moving backwards, not forwards in terms of equality. I will continue to teach my children that trans women are women, and trans men are men and that trans rights are human rights because I am not an inhumane monster.

And again, TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS for those at the back.

Yeah even the folk at the back know trans women are male and that trans people have the same rights as anyone else.

You just can’t take these posts seriously anymore.

Totallymessed · 17/04/2025 21:24

@HazelShark what kind of utter monster wouldn't want to share the women's toilets with these gentle souls?

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spannasaurus · 17/04/2025 21:26

BowTiesPinkTail · 17/04/2025 21:03

I, a cis woman, am very devastated for the trans population. We are moving backwards, not forwards in terms of equality. I will continue to teach my children that trans women are women, and trans men are men and that trans rights are human rights because I am not an inhumane monster.

And again, TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS for those at the back.

If a transman is convicted of a crime do you think they should be sent to a mens prison and be treated exactly the same as all the other prisoners?

thedancingclown · 17/04/2025 21:26

BowTiesPinkTail · 17/04/2025 21:03

I, a cis woman, am very devastated for the trans population. We are moving backwards, not forwards in terms of equality. I will continue to teach my children that trans women are women, and trans men are men and that trans rights are human rights because I am not an inhumane monster.

And again, TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS for those at the back.

Trans rights should not be at the expense of other rights & women’s safety and rights which have been fought for.

And to say trans women are biological women is like saying the 🌍 is flat.

PalmTreeAngel · 17/04/2025 21:26

BowTiesPinkTail · 17/04/2025 21:03

I, a cis woman, am very devastated for the trans population. We are moving backwards, not forwards in terms of equality. I will continue to teach my children that trans women are women, and trans men are men and that trans rights are human rights because I am not an inhumane monster.

And again, TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS for those at the back.

Can I ask you why you think trans women are women? Women is defined by biological sex assigned at birth, not by gender identity. I cannot identify as a different race.

Fourpawsblack · 17/04/2025 21:27

AllPlayedOut · 17/04/2025 21:15

Or our sex.

This.

Why this delusion has been allowed to become so common I’ve got no idea.

You are born with a penis you are male no matter what clothes you wear. The end.

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