Trans people

[Mog65]

Firstly, I'm a trans ally

Everyone is up in arms about trans women. What seems to be forgotten these people are human beings. Where is humanity. You have probably been sharing toilets and coming into contact with trans women every day and have no idea. You only hear about the few bad ones. In a public toilet, you go into a cubical and pee. Its not like you're sat there in full public view with your knickers at your ankles.

What has been forgotten also, as many females are changing to. So trans men. So you're in hospital in a ward. The woman in the next bed, identifys as George, clit is now a penis fully working and you're in the next bed! Same person can wander around female only spaces as the law has changed. George can now only be searched by a female. By the way George a transgender man is a pervert! All hypothetical but nobody has brought this up.

Just a thought.

And that's the point. MEN represent a danger to women. And trans women are men.

Umm....what?

As a parent you have a duty to tell the truth to your children & equip them to function in a society founded on the rule of law.

You could tell them for example STOLEN GOODS ARE NOT STOLEN GOODS, but if they are caught in possession of the stolen goods the law says otherwise and they have to deal with the legal consequences.

You are not an inhumane monster. Neither are the five Supreme Court Justices who set out plain truths yesterday. Neither are all the women who want to say truths out loud without being shut down and shut out for a minority of folk who are dysphoric & that depends on women making way for them or being witness to them.

What’s the difference between TW and those pretending to be TW? Because it makes it sound like you think the difference is body hair?

Men are accepting of TM because they pose absolutely no threat whatsoever to them. TW pose a threaten to women because they’re men

I’d be happy sharing a ward with George, no probs

A child can never be a dinosaur. They may dress up as one, roar and insist they are a dinosaur….We go along with it for a a few mins, even a day or two but they know, as well as us, it’s all make believe. It’s ok because we know they’ll outgrow this phase, so we can go along with it to please them and have a bit of fun, but in no way is this reality.

It’s like when we as adults watch sci-films. We know what we’re seeing isn’t real but it’s ok in the moment as it’s nice to get out of the reality of mundane life.

You can’t change sex no matter how much we want to, it’s impossible. It’s like me
saying I was born in the wrong body and I’m a sheep. It’s impossible to be born in to the wrong body because we are what we are and that’s it. Biological fact isn’t a choice. The sun can’t decide it’s a moon… A goat can’t decide it’s in the wrong body and it’s a cow, a spider can’t say it’s a fish… biology is what it is.

As humans we can wish we were prettier, taller, cleverer, slimmer and that’s ok. We can even wish we were the opposite sex and that’s cool too. Most people don’t care how people live their lives as long as they’re good people but when it infringes on their rights, it becomes a problem.

A male can never ever become a female, though they can live like one of they wish and most people won’t care either way, but biological women need their safe spaces where biological men can’t enter.

The only option would be for a third space when trans people can go.

But the reality is that no-one born male can actually become female - mo matter what drugs they take or surgery they have.

They can never, ever, become a "proper" woman as you phrase it. They are always a man presenting as a woman. It's sad for those with true dysmorphia but the truth cannot be airbrushed.

Please don’t - if you tell your kids this, or they will never be able to trust you to tell them the truth about anything important.

Lying to your kids that men who have lady feelz are actually women, or that girls who like boys stuff need to take testosterone and cut their breasts off is the polar opposite of safe and suitable parenting.

What rights don’t trans people have? Are you talking about the right to be unequivocally accepted as their chosen sex in every area, without doubt or question? To compete in women’s sports? To enter women’s single sex spaces etc? Are those the rights you’re demanding?

So where does equality come into it? Because giving men those rights means that they are lost by women. Yet again, men’s wants and desires come first. How does that make us equal? Or to paraphrase George Orwell, are we all equal, but some of us are more equal than others?

And you can lie to your children about biology if you think that’s the right thing to do, but how will you explain to your daughters and your granddaughters that you actively spoke up for the removal of their rights?

I've always wondered this! What sort of evidence is there as I imagine it would be quite hard to study.

Tbh trans women who were very obviously gay men first don't bother me at all, it's Dave who slaps a wig and frock on because he "feels sexy" that I don't want in the cubicle next to me.

This thread is great. So many clear voices saying that no male people can be women under the EA or materially.

Thanks OP for starting it.

So a child with disabilities wants to use the toilet. But hang on - it's in use by Heather Herbert using it to dilate his surgically constructed opening.. And posting it on his social media for all to see.
https://www.able2uk.com/news/disability-news/transwoman-criticised-for-using-accessible-toilet

https://ifunny.co/picture/dilation-day-2-let-s-play-where-in-an-airport-20FrLStrA

What an upstanding role model for the trans community. This is the person the BBC invited on to speak about the Supreme Court Decision.

I understand that you think you're doing the right thing, but please put the safety of your children before your need to feel good about how kind and liberal you are. Trans women are not women, and they offend at the same rates as other men.

'Transwomen' are men. That's why women don't want the in their spaces.

I really REALLY wish just ONE of the people saying “transwomen are women” can explain how they are women. I’ve been asking for years and literally never had an answer

I hope this helps. It is the prisoner data for the UK.

For anyone who wants to know what should be considered for evaluating risk of this sub group of males to show that they have a risk level not less than any other male in the UK of committing sex crime, have a read through the statistics for males who have transgender identities who commit sex crimes in the UK

Firstly, This was a question answered earlier this year:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298.

Question from Rebecca Paul (MP Reigate): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2023-2024, published on 28 November 2024, how many of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female were convicted of a sexual offence.

Answer from Sir Richard Dakin (MP Scunthorpe): 23 December 2024
Of the 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (i.e. those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid) on 31 March 2024, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. This includes both contact and non-contact sexual offences. Offence data was not available for 1 individual.

Of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female on 31 March 2024, the number convicted of a sexual offence is five or fewer. We do not provide exact data for such small sample sizes as it risks identification of individuals. This approach is in line with our standards on data disclosure.

To put this into perspective with what we already knew from FOI information. I posted the information to a regular poster from FWR on another thread, who did not acknowledge the information at all, so it seems sticking the info here is appropriate:

Here is data from the MoJ

Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other
77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.

1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.

Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.

There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female. What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.
As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population.
And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.

I will leave you to do your own sums. But... even using the figure of 88/203 is 43.3%. (And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.)

By the way this exercise was done in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other
The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

And that according to that FOI 197 prisoners are transgender.

This is why NO SUB GROUP OF MALE PEOPLE SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM RISK ASSESSMENT. This group of male people still retain the same male pattern of committing sex and violent crime.

Same. Says it all really. Along with examples of actual transphobia which never materialise. Even if the posts get deleted as claimed, surely you’d remember what they say.

I did wonder why they'd chosen him, do they do no due diligence at all?

I posted upthread the HM prison stats showing that men who identify as women are wildly overrepresented amongst imprisoned sex offenders.

No men, of any sexuality, should be in women's single sex spaces.

Because they say they are... duh!! Isn't that enough... Now let them in your toilets and sports teams!!

Agreed

No. They really don’t.

Jane Fae, another person with a very dubious background, is another of their go-tos.

Such grubby people.

This is just gross.

WTF am I reading?

Herbert captioned their post with the message "Dilation, day two, let's play. Where in an airport can I locate a clean, dry, private place I can lie down, take my knickers off and spread my legs?

oh yeah because this is typical behaviour from a woman right?! What the actual…..

'Cis' means identifying with gendered expectations of your sex. I have no idea why any woman would identify with that. At best it's a narrow stereotype like being a trad wife, at worst it's oppressive..

Trans people have full human rights because they are human. They have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment and just like everyone else they have sex based protections because of their biological sex and age based protections because of their age etc. etc. It's not clear why you would think otherwise.

Call the Midwife is a really good starting point for anyone who wants to understand why women need sex specific rights. If you have benefited from maternity leave and access to contraception you are benefiting from rights that women didn't have 50 years ago. If you don't have those rights, you don't work and you cannot be independent. You cannot defend these rights if you can't talk about women as a sex class.

I don't know what you mean when you say 'trans women are women'. Being female does not confer value or imply a particular personality or sexuality. We have value and rights because we are human. Trans women are very clearly not women , otherwise they wouldn't be trans.

Maybe you haven't though much about feminism before?