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Mog65 · 2025-04-17T15:46:47+00:00

Firstly, I'm a trans ally Everyone is up in arms about trans women. What seems to be forgotten these people are human beings. Where is humanity. You have probably been sharing toilets and coming into contact with trans women every day and have no idea. You only hear about the few bad ones. In a public toilet, you go into a cubical and pee. Its not like you're sat there in full public view with your knickers at your ankles. What has been forgotten also, as many females are changing to. So trans men. So you're in hospital in a ward. The woman in the next bed, identifys as George, clit is now a penis fully working and you're in the next bed! Same person can wander around female only spaces as the law has changed. George can now only be searched by a female. By the way George a transgender man is a pervert! All hypothetical but nobody has brought this up. Just a thought.

ThatCyanCat · 19/04/2025 14:31

Gloriia · 19/04/2025 13:39

The amount of transmen on X testosteroned up and all angry saying they are going to go to women's loos so there is funny.

We don't care! We can spot you a mile off and women are always welcome in women's facilities.

Interestingly, the general consensus from butch women seems to be that they understand why they might occasionally get challenged but they understand why, don't get offended, and it's resolved as soon as they speak and let the other person get a longer look at them.

AInightingale · 19/04/2025 14:34

Are they seriously, seriously going to publicly urinate in Parliament Sq? 🤮

Willoughby alludes to it on X though mentions Sunday rather than today. I think that might just be the point at which people's patience snaps and even sympathisers bail out. Absolutely gross, and tomorrow's a religious festival, that will really anger people.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 19/04/2025 14:39

ThatCyanCat · 19/04/2025 14:31

Interestingly, the general consensus from butch women seems to be that they understand why they might occasionally get challenged but they understand why, don't get offended, and it's resolved as soon as they speak and let the other person get a longer look at them.

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I got challenged once as I made my way to the loos in a pub. The words were "Oy, mate, that's the ladies!" and they came from a man. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and grinned at him, replying "I'm not a lady, mate, I'm a bird", which seemed to alleviate his worries. I still can't be sure what those were though.

Kuind · 19/04/2025 14:42

Over 90% of sexual assault and rape cases are perpetrated by males. This is due to a number of biological (eg hormone) and socialisation factors.

Trans men committing sexual assault is exceptionally rare to the point they are almost non existent. Trans women committing sexual assault is NOT exceptionally rare.

Males and females are fundamentally different. It’s that simple. Keep feelings out of the discussion. Keep females safe. Or are males’ feelings the most important thing as per fucking usual?

Silversixpenny · 19/04/2025 14:47

ThatCyanCat · 19/04/2025 14:31

Interestingly, the general consensus from butch women seems to be that they understand why they might occasionally get challenged but they understand why, don't get offended, and it's resolved as soon as they speak and let the other person get a longer look at them.

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Knowing several transmen, they have all told me similar: be challenged, it doesn't matter to them, if little girls feel safe.

Kuind · 19/04/2025 14:51

Kuind · 19/04/2025 14:42

Over 90% of sexual assault and rape cases are perpetrated by males. This is due to a number of biological (eg hormone) and socialisation factors.

Trans men committing sexual assault is exceptionally rare to the point they are almost non existent. Trans women committing sexual assault is NOT exceptionally rare.

Males and females are fundamentally different. It’s that simple. Keep feelings out of the discussion. Keep females safe. Or are males’ feelings the most important thing as per fucking usual?

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amendment:

there are NO publicly documented cases where a trans man, having undergone phalloplasty (the surgical construction of a penis), has been convicted of raping a woman using his surgically constructed penis

Nameychangington · 19/04/2025 14:52

Gloriia · 19/04/2025 13:39

The amount of transmen on X testosteroned up and all angry saying they are going to go to women's loos so there is funny.

We don't care! We can spot you a mile off and women are always welcome in women's facilities.

Every transman I've ever met has been shorter and skinnier than me. And actually, all but one (who was extremely mentally ill) used women's facilities routinely and with no issues. Because we know they're women, and no threat, and they know that using women's facilities is safer for them.

I know there has been a plethora of 6' muscly transmen chucked into these threads in the last few days but that has certainly not been my experience, either in real life or in non posed, non filtered photos online.

Davros · 19/04/2025 15:01

I’ve seen a few TM on telly recently (all BBC) - Hunted, The Traitors, Bridge of Lies. I know it’s hardly a scientific study! All had similar styles, short with wispy beard, tats and piercings. I could identify those ones easily but i realise that doesn’t make me an expert or able to ID all TM. I thought it was interesting that they all went for a similar look. Does trying to look like a man need a beard, tats and piercings?

13J · 19/04/2025 16:02

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

I can’t speak for other trans people, but for me. When I was transitioning, it was a private and personal thing. I told people what they needed to know when they needed to know it and I just went about my life, studying, working, and doing all the normal life things.

i was 18. At the time a lot of the trans people I met were a lot older than me, and since coming out they had made being trans their whole identity. They resented that I was younger and would get to live in a way they had not when they were younger. They resented further that I didn’t only have trans friends, only go to trans events, only talk about trans things.

i did try to get invoked in a few things, there used to be a YouTube channel where transmen shared their transition, and particularly once I had surgery, I felt my experience could be useful. I was 25. I was told they didn’t permit contributions from those under 35. So it ended up being full of people just starting out later in life who had nothing to share except from their regret that they hadn’t done it sooner.

So I stayed out of things

When I moved, I contacted the local trans community hub to be told I wasn’t welcome because I wasn’t ’from Here’ so they didn’t know me (I had moved to another uk city so it wasn’t even a race thing).

The few trans friends I did make who I felt had more to their personality argued with and then blocked me because I didn’t stop loving Harry Potter and I didn’t think JK had done anything offensive, I read her essay and wholeheartedly agree with her.

I will (and do) gladly defend any woman, in any situation.
I will make clear to anyone that what is being done is not being done in my name but voices like mine are often drowned out or shut down.

I’ve no doubt that there are many others like me but most are afraid to speak up because they’ll be rejected from their own community if they do.

KarmaKameelion · 19/04/2025 16:06

13J · 19/04/2025 16:02

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

I can’t speak for other trans people, but for me. When I was transitioning, it was a private and personal thing. I told people what they needed to know when they needed to know it and I just went about my life, studying, working, and doing all the normal life things.

i was 18. At the time a lot of the trans people I met were a lot older than me, and since coming out they had made being trans their whole identity. They resented that I was younger and would get to live in a way they had not when they were younger. They resented further that I didn’t only have trans friends, only go to trans events, only talk about trans things.

i did try to get invoked in a few things, there used to be a YouTube channel where transmen shared their transition, and particularly once I had surgery, I felt my experience could be useful. I was 25. I was told they didn’t permit contributions from those under 35. So it ended up being full of people just starting out later in life who had nothing to share except from their regret that they hadn’t done it sooner.

So I stayed out of things

When I moved, I contacted the local trans community hub to be told I wasn’t welcome because I wasn’t ’from Here’ so they didn’t know me (I had moved to another uk city so it wasn’t even a race thing).

The few trans friends I did make who I felt had more to their personality argued with and then blocked me because I didn’t stop loving Harry Potter and I didn’t think JK had done anything offensive, I read her essay and wholeheartedly agree with her.

I will (and do) gladly defend any woman, in any situation.
I will make clear to anyone that what is being done is not being done in my name but voices like mine are often drowned out or shut down.

I’ve no doubt that there are many others like me but most are afraid to speak up because they’ll be rejected from their own community if they do.

Thank you for sharing. I found that really informative

murasaki · 19/04/2025 16:06

13J · 19/04/2025 16:02

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

I can’t speak for other trans people, but for me. When I was transitioning, it was a private and personal thing. I told people what they needed to know when they needed to know it and I just went about my life, studying, working, and doing all the normal life things.

i was 18. At the time a lot of the trans people I met were a lot older than me, and since coming out they had made being trans their whole identity. They resented that I was younger and would get to live in a way they had not when they were younger. They resented further that I didn’t only have trans friends, only go to trans events, only talk about trans things.

i did try to get invoked in a few things, there used to be a YouTube channel where transmen shared their transition, and particularly once I had surgery, I felt my experience could be useful. I was 25. I was told they didn’t permit contributions from those under 35. So it ended up being full of people just starting out later in life who had nothing to share except from their regret that they hadn’t done it sooner.

So I stayed out of things

When I moved, I contacted the local trans community hub to be told I wasn’t welcome because I wasn’t ’from Here’ so they didn’t know me (I had moved to another uk city so it wasn’t even a race thing).

The few trans friends I did make who I felt had more to their personality argued with and then blocked me because I didn’t stop loving Harry Potter and I didn’t think JK had done anything offensive, I read her essay and wholeheartedly agree with her.

I will (and do) gladly defend any woman, in any situation.
I will make clear to anyone that what is being done is not being done in my name but voices like mine are often drowned out or shut down.

I’ve no doubt that there are many others like me but most are afraid to speak up because they’ll be rejected from their own community if they do.

Another one thanking you for your posts, which are really informative and brave.

AnSolas · 19/04/2025 16:32

AInightingale · 19/04/2025 14:34

Are they seriously, seriously going to publicly urinate in Parliament Sq? 🤮

Willoughby alludes to it on X though mentions Sunday rather than today. I think that might just be the point at which people's patience snaps and even sympathisers bail out. Absolutely gross, and tomorrow's a religious festival, that will really anger people.

Now that is not a male thing to do at all at allll 💅

But the transmen better bring a funnel or a rain coat ... 😬

Nameychangington · 19/04/2025 16:42

The way TRAs treat transpeople who don't comform to their ideology is the same way they treat detransitioners and the same way they treat women who won't comply.

The 'trans rights' movement is no such thing, it's an aggressive male supremacist movement out to dominate women, aligned with gravy train grifters like Stonewall and Gender GP out to make money and power. Women, children , people with gender dysphoria like PP, we're all just collateral damage.

Gloriia · 19/04/2025 17:03

Davros · 19/04/2025 15:01

I’ve seen a few TM on telly recently (all BBC) - Hunted, The Traitors, Bridge of Lies. I know it’s hardly a scientific study! All had similar styles, short with wispy beard, tats and piercings. I could identify those ones easily but i realise that doesn’t make me an expert or able to ID all TM. I thought it was interesting that they all went for a similar look. Does trying to look like a man need a beard, tats and piercings?

It is fascinating yes how tm all adopt the same look re little beards, tats and piercings. I've never seen any on X looking any different. I wonder if the beards and the piercings make them feel masculine in the way that tw wear mini skirts and heels?

It would seem ironic that the very groups who don't agree with stereotypes actually play into it with their 'male' and 'female' styling.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 19/04/2025 17:04

13J · 19/04/2025 16:02

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

I can’t speak for other trans people, but for me. When I was transitioning, it was a private and personal thing. I told people what they needed to know when they needed to know it and I just went about my life, studying, working, and doing all the normal life things.

i was 18. At the time a lot of the trans people I met were a lot older than me, and since coming out they had made being trans their whole identity. They resented that I was younger and would get to live in a way they had not when they were younger. They resented further that I didn’t only have trans friends, only go to trans events, only talk about trans things.

i did try to get invoked in a few things, there used to be a YouTube channel where transmen shared their transition, and particularly once I had surgery, I felt my experience could be useful. I was 25. I was told they didn’t permit contributions from those under 35. So it ended up being full of people just starting out later in life who had nothing to share except from their regret that they hadn’t done it sooner.

So I stayed out of things

When I moved, I contacted the local trans community hub to be told I wasn’t welcome because I wasn’t ’from Here’ so they didn’t know me (I had moved to another uk city so it wasn’t even a race thing).

The few trans friends I did make who I felt had more to their personality argued with and then blocked me because I didn’t stop loving Harry Potter and I didn’t think JK had done anything offensive, I read her essay and wholeheartedly agree with her.

I will (and do) gladly defend any woman, in any situation.
I will make clear to anyone that what is being done is not being done in my name but voices like mine are often drowned out or shut down.

I’ve no doubt that there are many others like me but most are afraid to speak up because they’ll be rejected from their own community if they do.

Thank you for this. I wish there were more voices like yours.

Are you the same trans man who did an AMA on here not long ago?

Davros · 19/04/2025 17:17

@13J I’m so sorry to hear about the bigotry you’ve suffered. I’m sure many women would welcome you, we make great friends (not “allies”)!

BundleBoogie · 19/04/2025 17:25

AnSolas · 19/04/2025 16:32

Now that is not a male thing to do at all at allll 💅

But the transmen better bring a funnel or a rain coat ... 😬

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Dies anyone remember the chap in an evening dress who brought lots of bottles of urine with him and poured them over himself as a protest on the steps of the EHRC offices.

They had dared to say that rights between women and trans should be balanced…

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 19/04/2025 17:28

It's a very male-animal thing, using piss to mark territory. But surely he didn't need to mark himself!

Riaanna · 19/04/2025 17:33

Kuind · 19/04/2025 14:51

amendment:

there are NO publicly documented cases where a trans man, having undergone phalloplasty (the surgical construction of a penis), has been convicted of raping a woman using his surgically constructed penis

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So? How many trans women are actually taking that step?

BundleBoogie · 19/04/2025 17:45

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 19/04/2025 17:28

It's a very male-animal thing, using piss to mark territory. But surely he didn't need to mark himself!

I know - extremely weird and disgusting. Maybe he had a pee fetish and wanted an excuse to perform it in public.

Either way he presented a strong argument for keeping men like him out of women’s spaces. He probably peaked a few EHRC employees that day. 💪🏼💪🏼

Dandie55 · 19/04/2025 18:05

You might not agree but Leo McAllen passes to me. I don't know why "scale" matters - I'm a 5"6 woman and most men I've dated have been my height, and a few shorter. I'd just assume they were a short man personally.

Dandie55 · 19/04/2025 18:05

Jesus Christ that was meant to be a quote.

Kuind · 19/04/2025 18:05

Point being “George” in the OP is not a threat to females as George is a female regardless of what they choose to do to their genitals.

JandamiHash · 19/04/2025 18:07

Riaanna · 19/04/2025 17:33

So? How many trans women are actually taking that step?

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Do you want names?

JandamiHash · 19/04/2025 18:08

Dandie55 · 19/04/2025 18:05

You might not agree but Leo McAllen passes to me. I don't know why "scale" matters - I'm a 5"6 woman and most men I've dated have been my height, and a few shorter. I'd just assume they were a short man personally.

Still a woman