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Trans people

999 replies

Mog65 · 17/04/2025 16:46

Firstly, I'm a trans ally

Everyone is up in arms about trans women. What seems to be forgotten these people are human beings. Where is humanity. You have probably been sharing toilets and coming into contact with trans women every day and have no idea. You only hear about the few bad ones. In a public toilet, you go into a cubical and pee. Its not like you're sat there in full public view with your knickers at your ankles.

What has been forgotten also, as many females are changing to. So trans men. So you're in hospital in a ward. The woman in the next bed, identifys as George, clit is now a penis fully working and you're in the next bed! Same person can wander around female only spaces as the law has changed. George can now only be searched by a female. By the way George a transgender man is a pervert! All hypothetical but nobody has brought this up.

Just a thought.

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JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 19:12

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:11

See my other post. Was referring to a comment about it being a choice.

Im Almost 40. Why aren’t I 21?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 19:12

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 19:12

Im Almost 40. Why aren’t I 21?

Hard same.

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:12

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 19:12

Im Almost 40. Why aren’t I 21?

What?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 19:13

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:11

See my other post. Was referring to a comment about it being a choice.

I think the fact that there are no trans women in Afghanistan would suggest that it is either a choice or a purely western phenomenon.

UndermyShoeJoe · 17/04/2025 19:14

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 19:12

Hard same.

I want to claim my pension 😉 I identify as 67.

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 19:14

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:12

What?

Why am I 40 and not 21? What is the reason for that?

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 17/04/2025 19:14

AshesofTime · 17/04/2025 19:10

I on't think it's true that all transwomen who are none-predators, as you put it, are genuine. There's a large fetish element to trans which is kind of the elephant in the room.

Ah ok, but what people do in their homes/clubs is up to them. If it gets them off, role playing then who are we to say it's wrong for two consenting adults?

Am I just not getting it or am I too accepting?

It's just how my brain is

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 19:15

UndermyShoeJoe · 17/04/2025 19:14

I want to claim my pension 😉 I identify as 67.

I identify as a 67 year old in the body of a 21 year old.

AshesofTime · 17/04/2025 19:15

You know what gets me about this debate? Why it only applies to sex. If I said I identified as being 21 again, no one would let me change my birth certificate or passport. They wouldn't let me go to youth groups for under-21s.

If I said I identified as black woman...well just look what happened to Rachel Dolzeal.

If I identified as a rabbit, they wouldn't build me a hutch or let me roam around the local estate as nature intended. They'd probably commit me!

But, none of those things are any more or less possible than a man becoming a woman.

spannasaurus · 17/04/2025 19:16

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 17/04/2025 19:14

Ah ok, but what people do in their homes/clubs is up to them. If it gets them off, role playing then who are we to say it's wrong for two consenting adults?

Am I just not getting it or am I too accepting?

It's just how my brain is

They're not in their homes though. They're in toilets, changing rooms, lesbian groups etc etc

consistentlyinconsistent · 17/04/2025 19:16

I agree with you. I don't know if you listen to James O'Brien on LBC but he had an interesting phone in about this yesterday. Worth a listen (you can listen on catch up on global player). Do people really think people are going to the effort of transitioning so they can attack women in public loos? It's MEN we need to be afraid of and these laws aren't going to change the fact that men attack women every day. Anyway I am already regretting typing this as the anti-woke brigade will be on me in no time.

Nameychangington · 17/04/2025 19:17

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 17/04/2025 19:09

I've read articles (seen headlines, I tend to not read for the good of my mental wellbeing) about the predators who attack women while 'looking like a woman' or 'identifying as a woman' and absolutely these vile men should be imprisoned with males because they're not trying to be proper women whereas the non predators will be trying to be proper women because they see themselves as a woman.

I've seen on another thread the brilliant 'not all snakes are like that ' analogy.

I..e., imagine your changing room /toilet /hospital ward has snakes in. Some snakes are harmless, some can kill you, and you've no idea which of these snakes is in your space by looking. You happy to share your space with the snakes on the grounds that some of them are harmless?

Whether they are 'trying hard enough' in your opinion to be women, they're all men. Men are a danger to women, however they identify or dress and whatever ideas they have about themselves. We can't tell by lookong which are the harmless ones and which will harm us, so they all have to stay out. No men in women's spaces.

Teddlesisagoodboy · 17/04/2025 19:17

How many men are going to go to the effort of dressing up as a woman to go in a woman's bathroom just so they can molest women. Get a brain and a life!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 19:17

consistentlyinconsistent · 17/04/2025 19:16

I agree with you. I don't know if you listen to James O'Brien on LBC but he had an interesting phone in about this yesterday. Worth a listen (you can listen on catch up on global player). Do people really think people are going to the effort of transitioning so they can attack women in public loos? It's MEN we need to be afraid of and these laws aren't going to change the fact that men attack women every day. Anyway I am already regretting typing this as the anti-woke brigade will be on me in no time.

I honestly do not give a shit why they are transitioning.

Women's right to single sex spaces for our own safety and dignity shouldn't be conditional on men not feeling too sad about being excluded from those spaces.

AshesofTime · 17/04/2025 19:17

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 17/04/2025 19:14

Ah ok, but what people do in their homes/clubs is up to them. If it gets them off, role playing then who are we to say it's wrong for two consenting adults?

Am I just not getting it or am I too accepting?

It's just how my brain is

It's not just in their homes though. They're getting off on being in women's spaces. They're getting off on the validation. They're getting off on breastfeeding babies. They're getting off on going to rape crisis centres and listening to women's stories. They're getting off just walking around in their tight skirts that show their bulges. Seriously, a quick look at any trans space will show you that a not insignificant number of "transwomen" are just plain old AGPs with a paraphillia or three.

AshesofTime · 17/04/2025 19:19

Teddlesisagoodboy · 17/04/2025 19:17

How many men are going to go to the effort of dressing up as a woman to go in a woman's bathroom just so they can molest women. Get a brain and a life!

Men have spent years training to be priests and teachers to sexually assault women. Serial killers have converted whole hotels so they can use them for more efficient killing, but sure, no man would ever pop on a dress and a bit of lippy to access victims. That's just too much effort.

spannasaurus · 17/04/2025 19:19

consistentlyinconsistent · 17/04/2025 19:16

I agree with you. I don't know if you listen to James O'Brien on LBC but he had an interesting phone in about this yesterday. Worth a listen (you can listen on catch up on global player). Do people really think people are going to the effort of transitioning so they can attack women in public loos? It's MEN we need to be afraid of and these laws aren't going to change the fact that men attack women every day. Anyway I am already regretting typing this as the anti-woke brigade will be on me in no time.

It doesn't take much effort to transition a man just needs to say he's a woman.

Over 95% of transwomen have a penis.

A man doesn't need to take hormones or have any surgery to get a GRC and a birth certificate showing his sex as female

GCAcademic · 17/04/2025 19:19

Teddlesisagoodboy · 17/04/2025 19:17

How many men are going to go to the effort of dressing up as a woman to go in a woman's bathroom just so they can molest women. Get a brain and a life!

How many is enough for you?

AshesofTime · 17/04/2025 19:20

consistentlyinconsistent · 17/04/2025 19:16

I agree with you. I don't know if you listen to James O'Brien on LBC but he had an interesting phone in about this yesterday. Worth a listen (you can listen on catch up on global player). Do people really think people are going to the effort of transitioning so they can attack women in public loos? It's MEN we need to be afraid of and these laws aren't going to change the fact that men attack women every day. Anyway I am already regretting typing this as the anti-woke brigade will be on me in no time.

They are men. Jesus Christ.

Bannedontherun · 17/04/2025 19:20

@HazelShark It is a choice in so much as you have the body you are born with the best choice is to accept that by way of therapy, and if you want to dress as you perceive the opposite sex to look like, sure go ahead.

It is also a choice to demand the rest of the world to agree you on your new found sex.

It is also a choice to hound women in to silence

Gay people never did that.

SpidersAreShitheads · 17/04/2025 19:20

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 17/04/2025 19:14

Ah ok, but what people do in their homes/clubs is up to them. If it gets them off, role playing then who are we to say it's wrong for two consenting adults?

Am I just not getting it or am I too accepting?

It's just how my brain is

The fetish isn’t confined to the home though, that’s the problem.

For some people the kink is about getting women to acknowledge them as women. For others, their kink is about doing sexual acts while identifying as a woman specifically in women’s spaces.

Sadly there are many videos on Twitter and the suchlike of these individuals sharing their “excitement”. I remember one in particular enjoying parading around a women’s refuge with his erect pe is clearly visible. His excitement was that he was forcing women to look at his penis, and they couldn’t object.

Much of this is very much NOT consensual and it’s always about women being placed in positions where they don’t have the option to refuse consent.

Have you heard about AGPs? It might be an eye opener for you.

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:20

This thread is this most hateful thing ive read in a long time

AshesofTime · 17/04/2025 19:21

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:20

This thread is this most hateful thing ive read in a long time

More hateful than this? https://terfisaslur.com/

TERF is a slur

Documenting the abuse, harassment and misogyny of transgender identity politics

https://terfisaslur.com

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:22

AshesofTime · 17/04/2025 19:21

More hateful than this? https://terfisaslur.com/

Thats not acceptable either but yes. And theres a lot more than 2 people here.

BelfastBard · 17/04/2025 19:22

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:20

This thread is this most hateful thing ive read in a long time

Then you ought to spend some time on Reddit and read how these men talk about women.