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Trans people

999 replies

Mog65 · 17/04/2025 16:46

Firstly, I'm a trans ally

Everyone is up in arms about trans women. What seems to be forgotten these people are human beings. Where is humanity. You have probably been sharing toilets and coming into contact with trans women every day and have no idea. You only hear about the few bad ones. In a public toilet, you go into a cubical and pee. Its not like you're sat there in full public view with your knickers at your ankles.

What has been forgotten also, as many females are changing to. So trans men. So you're in hospital in a ward. The woman in the next bed, identifys as George, clit is now a penis fully working and you're in the next bed! Same person can wander around female only spaces as the law has changed. George can now only be searched by a female. By the way George a transgender man is a pervert! All hypothetical but nobody has brought this up.

Just a thought.

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HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:03

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 19:02

That they shouldn't be in spaces for members of the opposite sex?

Did we really, Hazel?

I do not think so.

I was referring to the poster who asked why dont trans people just stop being trans if it makes their life harder

GCAcademic · 17/04/2025 19:03

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:01

The replies on here are so sad. We used to say the same about gay people

Gay people didn't go around trying to remove rights from other groups or force them into the courts to uphold those other groups' definition in law.

AshesofTime · 17/04/2025 19:03

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:01

The replies on here are so sad. We used to say the same about gay people

Gay people wanted nothing more to an equality - they did not want to take anyone else’s rights from them or weaken their safeties and protections.

People can and do have same same sex relationships. People can’t change sex.

It’s not at all the same.

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 17/04/2025 19:04

HaddyAbrams · 17/04/2025 18:26

I have male friends that are lovely. I'd happily share a toilet/changing room/ bed with them.

That doesn't mean I think other women should.

And also (not aimed at you necessarily) but can we stop talking about TW with beards as if that's what makes them male. As a woman with PCOS and a very hairy chin it's actually quite fucking upsetting.

I'm sorry. I know you said it wasn't necessarily aimed at me but I am sorry if that kind of comment pisses you off x I didn't think of that as I don't live with it but of course I can fully understand why it's upsetting for you.

Even though I don't have pcos I do have haaaaaaaaairssssssss growing on my chin and plucking is one of my favourite pastimes 🤭 I said it like that because there are a lot. I hope that's not offensive to you, just light hearted shit. I have ADHD so I don't always 'get it's x

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 19:05

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:03

I was referring to the poster who asked why dont trans people just stop being trans if it makes their life harder

Why can’t they just be men who wear dresses, make up and do things traditionally done by women? Why must they have the lie of a label of “woman”?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 19:06

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:03

I was referring to the poster who asked why dont trans people just stop being trans if it makes their life harder

Well it is completely optional to believe that other people have an identity which matches their genitals and that having an identity which doesn't match your genitals makes you different to everyone else.

Why do you think there are no trans women in Afghanistan, out of interest?

AngelinaFibres · 17/04/2025 19:06

OnyourbarksGSG · 17/04/2025 19:03

You honestly think that a kidney can become a liver , or an arm becomes a leg… just because Drs surgically reshape it? Do you honestly believe that ? Because most people live their lives based in reality and practicality. Something doesn’t become real just because you say so.

If you painted stripes on a horse no one would believe it was a zebra. It doesn't pass. Transwomen never pass as women.

HighLadyofTheNightCourt · 17/04/2025 19:07

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:01

The replies on here are so sad. We used to say the same about gay people

No we didn't.

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:07

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 19:06

Well it is completely optional to believe that other people have an identity which matches their genitals and that having an identity which doesn't match your genitals makes you different to everyone else.

Why do you think there are no trans women in Afghanistan, out of interest?

For fear theyd be murdered probably. Afghanistan arent hot on their human rights.

SalfordQuays · 17/04/2025 19:08

@Mog65 “clit”?? Can you use correct language if you’re going to lecture us?

I’m very happy about the judgement. The madness should never have been allowed to get to this point.

BumbleBeegu · 17/04/2025 19:08

Meet Eric Sprague…aka Lizard Man. So determined and dedicated is to become a lizard, that he has modified his ENTIRE body.

He would self ID as a lizard…but is he?

Or is he just a man, who thinks he’s a lizard?

Trans people
Cupidismypal · 17/04/2025 19:08

Mog65 · 17/04/2025 16:53

The clitoris is used in the making of the penis.

Which will be 4-6 cms long, and can't become erect without additional prosthetic support.

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 17/04/2025 19:09

BrilliantBrilliant · 17/04/2025 18:22

Your friend sounds lovely but is still a biological man and doesn't have a vagina she has a fashioned version not a real one. The trouble is having to guess which biological man is dangerous and which isn't. There are plenty of trans in prison for sexual offences.

Stupid lawyers make biological women call them she, their sodding rapists raping with their female penises, which since they are men are real penises. It's difficult to tell which biological males are a danger so all biological males must not have access to female spaces.

Trans people need their own spaces.

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I've read articles (seen headlines, I tend to not read for the good of my mental wellbeing) about the predators who attack women while 'looking like a woman' or 'identifying as a woman' and absolutely these vile men should be imprisoned with males because they're not trying to be proper women whereas the non predators will be trying to be proper women because they see themselves as a woman.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 19:09

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:07

For fear theyd be murdered probably. Afghanistan arent hot on their human rights.

So you're saying it's too dangerous to be a trans woman in Afghanistan?

user2848502016 · 17/04/2025 19:09

FatLarrysBanned · 17/04/2025 16:55

I'd rather take my chances fighting off f/m "George" who likely has to take time to inflate his "penis" and more likely to be my size and stature than 6ft 2" m/f "Georgina" with his intact home grown fully functioning, penis which he doesn't feel the need to get rid of to be a "woman".

This 💯

GCAcademic · 17/04/2025 19:10

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:07

For fear theyd be murdered probably. Afghanistan arent hot on their human rights.

And aren't we lucky to live in a country where the highest court in the land has upheld the human rights of both women and trans people, and clarified that each group has distinct rights?

viques · 17/04/2025 19:10

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 18:52

Im with you OP. Its hard enough being trans, and now its even harder.

Unfortunately this site is extremely transphobic so you wont find support here

Its a site mostly used by women, who have seen their rights and language eroded , their spaces and sports usurped, their children and their childrens friends brainwashed and medicated their friends hounded out of jobs for expressing legal truths. So yes, undeniably, many women on here are not happy about how some trans people have spent their energies over the past few years.

If you call that transphobia then that is what you call it, I would call it a push back to being told that womens rights,language, feelings and opinions count for nothing and that our job is to be kind and shut the fuck up.

JandamiHash · 17/04/2025 19:10

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 17/04/2025 19:06

Well it is completely optional to believe that other people have an identity which matches their genitals and that having an identity which doesn't match your genitals makes you different to everyone else.

Why do you think there are no trans women in Afghanistan, out of interest?

So gender is real, and trumps sex, how come only women (to clarify: biological women aka The ONLY kind of women) in Afghanistan are oppressed? If gender is a thing why don’t men, who rule Afghanistan, decide to identify as a woman?

AshesofTime · 17/04/2025 19:10

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 17/04/2025 19:09

I've read articles (seen headlines, I tend to not read for the good of my mental wellbeing) about the predators who attack women while 'looking like a woman' or 'identifying as a woman' and absolutely these vile men should be imprisoned with males because they're not trying to be proper women whereas the non predators will be trying to be proper women because they see themselves as a woman.

I on't think it's true that all transwomen who are none-predators, as you put it, are genuine. There's a large fetish element to trans which is kind of the elephant in the room.

Bannedontherun · 17/04/2025 19:10

@HazelShark that old nonsense gay people are an entirely different group of people who as far as i am aware are as pissed of with the idea that you can change sex as us terfs are.

MightAsWellBeGretel · 17/04/2025 19:11

First of all, let me say that all people in a Western society should be be to express themselves in their clothing, interests and pursuits without fear of prejudice, ridicule or threat of physical harm. All people should be treated with respect an courtesy.

However, simply wanting to be a woman does not make you a woman.

Let's be honest here, this is not about biological women wanting to go to the men's bogs, is it? This is about biological men wanting to encroach on women's spaces. And I understand it to a point - trans people do not feel safe in men's spheres. So what needs to be tackled, is the culture of toxic masculinity that pervades Western society, not invading women's spaces and perpetuating the delusion that 'I want' equates to 'I am'.

Screamingabdabz · 17/04/2025 19:11

Teddlesisagoodboy · 17/04/2025 18:58

What I don't understand about all these idiots going on about no penis in female places is what is to stop any man wandering in a female toilet right now, if that's what they want to do. If they want to go in a toilet and molest someone, which tbh most of them don't bother to go to that effort to molest someone, then they can? There's no bouncers on the door. What is the issue. Are you all terrified of men if you are say alone with them other places, like at work, or seeing the doctor or dentist or something. You are all so embassing.

Oh the “men will attack women anyway” argument… yeah you’re right so let’s just remove any barriers whatsoever to the nonces, weirdos and pervs. Why bother even trying to protect girls and women with boring shit like laws, oversight, safeguarding, dbs checks, due diligence, single sex spaces. May as well just give them the green light to do whatever fucked up shit they like and save all the hassle eh?

Jeez. Misogyny still alive and well and thriving. And irony. Calling other posters idiots. 🙄

HazelShark · 17/04/2025 19:11

Bannedontherun · 17/04/2025 19:10

@HazelShark that old nonsense gay people are an entirely different group of people who as far as i am aware are as pissed of with the idea that you can change sex as us terfs are.

See my other post. Was referring to a comment about it being a choice.

TheSwift · 17/04/2025 19:11

Women deserve humanity too.

And a clit cannot become a penis. That’s such a weird thing to believe.

Matronic6 · 17/04/2025 19:12

Unbelievable.