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To have cut off my friend who stayed in an abusive marriage

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TheIvyRestaurant · 06/04/2025 15:28

I had a friend, let’s call her Kate - she met a man about 12 years ago and got pregnant very quickly, after 3 months. They decided to make a go of it, and from about mid-way through her pregnancy I noticed his red flag behaviour. Then things got worse when she had the baby and he moved in. They then had another DD about 2 years later and they got married a few years after that. I could give hundreds of examples of how he was emotionally abusive but here are a few:

  • Kate was “allowed” to come out for drinks with me (I eventually was her only friend as he alienated her from so many people) but only during the day - she had to be back at 6pm so she could do bedtime as he couldn’t cope apparently. I’m not talking babies - this is when their DDs were 6 and 8. One night we were having so much fun we lost track of time and realised it was 6.15pm. She had 9 texts from him saying she had “failed at her task” and “failed as a parent” because “you know that I can’t do bedtimes so the girls are now going to be up really late thanks to you putting yourself first”.
  • She had to go term time only at work because he can’t look after his own children for full days while she works, it triggers his PTSD. Meaning she had a lot less money. He also insisted on keeping their finances seperate, so whilst he stayed full time and would buy £900 TVs and an e scooter, she would have to forgo buying lunch at work because her salary dropped so much.
  • During lockdown, things ramped up - he was beyond nasty and would text her from other rooms of the house saying “Tell those kids to STFU before lose my shit at you all” and “Can you put some clothes on, it makes me want to vomit seeing you in pyjamas during the day” and “You’d better be doing home schooling with them, if they’re then out to be thick kids it will be your fault”. He couldn’t home schooling apparently, it triggered his PTAD. She would text me these screenshots on a daily basis.
  • One time we went to a local concert, and she decided she’d stay out for a drink after and stand up to him. He wasn’t happy and was demanding she come home but she put her phone in her bag. A few hours later, she checked her phone to find 67 missed calls and the ring doorbell showed paramedics at their door. He called 999 saying he thinks he has sepsis. He didn’t, and they soon left. But he spent months saying the stress she caused by staying out brought on sepsis like symptoms.
  • He’d really have a go at her parenting. All the time. She’s an AMAZING mum, but if she didn’t have things 100% organised (like literally every mum on the planet) he’d go nuts. I was round once and he said “The girls want to go in the garden where are their hats?”. Because she didn’t instantly know and had to look in various cupboards and coat pockets, he really went at her saying “Smart mother you are - don’t even know where their clothes are”. I pointed out “Well neither do you” and the look her gave me terrified me to the point I left after that.
  • Me and her went away with all our kids to a theme park hotel for the night and he was texting her having a go about her parenting - the kids weren’t even there! He’s obsessed with her “failing”. “I gave you a new routine and you failed at it. You left the house 15 minutes after we agreed. FAILED”.
  • Her DDs eventually started treating her like shit. If they wanted her from another room they’d shout “Kate! Get here RIGHT NOW”. She said it’s because that’s how her DH speaks to her and they were copying

I spent a lot of personal time and energy worrying about my friend. I told her from early on to leave him, not to marry him, that’s she can do better and she’s a shell of her former self. Eventually, after another text simply saying “Guess what your latest fail has been? Go on take a guess.” (she forgot to turn the dishwasher on and he had nothing to eat his food on which apparently triggered his PTSD) she told me she wants to leave him. I supported her for the next 3 months. I did all sorts - looked around rentals on her behalf (he was NEVER gonna leave the house of his own accord and she didn’t want police involvement). Researched cheap items to but for a new kitchen. Researched women’s groups and charities that support single mums. Spent hours pouring over her rights and how to claim maintenance and the pitfalls she might encounter. Researching the cheapest forms of divorce. None of this she could do herself in case he checked her phone or caught her.

I did it to the detriment of spending time with my own kids and DH. My DH at this point was supportive but said i was too involved and it’s not my job, and pointed out my friend would post “we are such a happy family” type posts on social media and he assured me “she’s never gonna leave him you’re wasting your time”. We once fell out about it. But I persevered and was determined to get her out of there.

My uncle is a landlord and I asked him a favour to rent her a 2 bed property for a while at a cheap rate until she could find something more suitable. He agreed, letting down the person he promised it to. I was grateful and my friend was delighted she had a place to escape to.

A week before she was due to move in (she’d signed a tenancy agreement) she asked to meet me for lunch. She told me that I had been encouraging her to leave her husband for too long, pushing her into doing it and she didn’t like it and I was to stop. Because she loved him and wasn’t leaving. I asked her if her DH was making her say these things and she said “no”. I’m not sure if this is true. She said we can still be friends but I have to stop this “vendetta” against her DH.

A few days later, still heartbroken, I decided I’d had enough and her marriage had imposed too much on my own life. With DH’s support I texted her to say I couldn’t be her friend anymore. She had gaslighted me, and taken me for granted and she was on her own. I then blocked her on everything and haven’t seen her since. Luckily my uncle was v understanding and didn’t pursue her for her contractual obligations.

That was 3 years ago. I don’t talk about it because I feel so bruised emotionally from it and I tell people we drifted apart. We then moved away shortly after that (for different reasons) which made the cut-off easier.

Anyway caught up with my mum today and she said “You haven’t spoken about Kate in ages. You used to mention her all the time”. I told her the whole story.

I’ve come away feeling sick with guilt. My mum made me feel really awful - said I shouldn’t have given up on my friend and I should have bided my time before bringing it up again. That “That poor woman and those 2 girls are stuck with that vile man and you’re doing nothing about it”. My mum was in an abusive marriage (albeit a violent one as well) and said “so called friends like me” who bolted when her stories became too much are people she will never forgive or forget. That of you know bad things are happening it’s your obligation to stop them, and I gave up too soon.

FWIW. DH looks now and again on social media and Kate and her DH are still together.

I now feel so guilty and confused and second guessing my decision I was otherwise so sure about for 3 years. Please tell me MN honestly - WIBU to cut Kate off? Should I try and reach out to her? My mum gave me a new perspective and I honestly feel sick with what I did.

OP posts:
rubyslippers · 06/04/2025 15:30

You have gone over and above consistently
you are not responsible for your friend or her behaviour
the minute it was to the detriment of your own family was the minute you should have drawn boundaries
you cannot save your friend

LighthouseTeaCup · 06/04/2025 15:35

You can only help people who want to be helped.

MaMaMaMaBaker · 06/04/2025 15:36

Ah, this is a really difficult one. On the one hand, she obviously badly needed you, whether she managed to overcome her H or not. On the other, it's not fair on you to pump endless energy into the situation.

I have voted YABU, only because I would have stayed friends with her. At least, I think I would. But I don't judge you at all for feeling like it was too much for you to continue to support her. It's easy for me to say I wouldn't cut a friend off in these circumstances, but I haven't actually tried doing it.

I hope you manage to find peace here. It is not unreasonable to look after yourself first.

Changethenamey · 06/04/2025 15:37

I also withdrew from a close friendship because I spent so many hours trying to help her and listening to her awful stories for her to then go back to her nasty alcoholic husband. I was going through my own relationship breakdown and honestly it just got too much. It was hurting me to watch her go through the same thing over and over. It might be selfish but I had to put myself first in the end.

Sometimes you just can’t save them and it hurts for everyone involved 😔

Streaaa · 06/04/2025 15:38

You were an incredible friend who did so much for her, beyond what most would do.
Your mother is a very nasty woman to say that to you.
Step back from her too, take real space from her.
What was your childhood like?
I suspect you have had a very hard time.
Time to put yourself firmly first.

ViaBlue · 06/04/2025 15:41

You did the right thing. All your friend was doing was offloading on you emotionally, just using you..she had no intention to do anything about her sitiation and doesn't care how much she has put on you..

She is not your responsibility.
And your mother is wrong. Maybe projecting as doesn't want to take responsibility and admit her own role in staying in her abusive marriage.

You really did the only right thing for you. You can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. You need to protect yourself.

OliphantJones · 06/04/2025 15:43

This is quite tricky. I think I would have done everything that you did but I wouldn’t have blocked her, nor made it so final. I would have said I can’t be your friend right now because I will never support this relationship you have but if you ever do want to leave and need help to do so I will be there, but you have to be the one to contact me. Or something like that.
I don’t think you need to feel guilty though. You did more than most would have and to the detriment of your family.

deeahgwitch · 06/04/2025 15:44

You did all you could to help your friend.
Perhaps her husband intercepted your messages to her and all hell broke loose and it wasn’t worth the hassle for her to leave then so you got the flak with the wording instigated by him.
The messenger got shot.
You led the horse to water as it were but she wouldn’t drink.
What more could you have done @TheIvyRestaurant ?
You were a good friend.

I hope some day your friend breaks free.

AluckyEllie · 06/04/2025 15:45

I think you acted admirably and went above and beyond to try and help her. She is the one failing her children, not you (I get that she is very much a victim too.) You did the right thing cutting her off, it would be so draining and soul destroying to watch her life unfold as it will with him. Unfortunately you can’t help everyone and you tried more than many of us would, you should be proud of that.

musicforthesoul · 06/04/2025 15:46

You can't save someone who doesn't want to be saved.

It is sad, and I know it quite often takes someone being abused multiple times before they leave, but the impact it has on friends/family who are trying to help to watch someone go back again and again often gets downplayed I think.

In an ideal world maybe you could have taken a step back but remained friends, but that doesn't mean what you did was wrong. It is fine to put yourself first when the personal costs get too high.

Theoriginalmrscillianmurphy · 06/04/2025 15:46

I'm out of my abusive marriage now and I have often thanked my family and friends for never giving up on me.

It takes women years and many attempts to leave.

Mudandstones · 06/04/2025 15:47

I don’t understand why it’s a choice between ‘ ‘you have to let me save you or we can’t be friends’

Why couldn’t you have remained a friend even when she said she was staying in her marriage?

You say her H constantly accused her of failing as a parent but you effectively told her she’d failed as a friend by not letting you save her.

its very hard for women in these toxic relationships. I believe the figure is something like women on average try 7 times before they finally leave for good

I would have stayed her friend but stepped away from any savior role unless she came and asked for support with this.

Zanatdy · 06/04/2025 15:49

It is a difficult one. I don’t think I could give up with my close friends, but hard to say when i’ve not been there. Hope she eventually left. Somehow I doubt it.

SALaw · 06/04/2025 15:50

Why did it have to be all or nothing?

Leanin9 · 06/04/2025 15:51

doesnt it take most women several attempts to leave? I think you could’ve just been her friend, but taken a step back from ‘fixing’ everything first her so it was more healthy for you too. But if you drifted apart anyway and presumably he pushed her away from you too it is what it is. You don’t have to be friends with anyone for any reason

gamerchick · 06/04/2025 15:52

You haven't done anything wrong OP. You can't keep giving and have it thrown back in your face.

The only thing I would have done differently (and it's easy for me to say) would be to leave the door open for when she has left him and then I'd help, but until then it's best to stay away.. But her behaviour towards you after everything you did was outrageous.

Tell your mother she's welcome to get stuck in and use her emotional resources on the lass if she wants.

Phase2 · 06/04/2025 15:52

I think it’s possible you moved things too fast for her rather than being behind her holding her up, you were ahead dragging her forward. I left an abusive marriage and it had to go at my own pace. They way you’ve written it seems like her telling you was like a green light to rush on with plans.

CremeEggThief · 06/04/2025 15:53

If I went by your title only, definitely YABU, but reading all the details, YANBU. It doesn't make Kate a bad person though either.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 06/04/2025 15:55

Yanbu. In an ideal world yes you should maybe have realised that it usually takes several attempts at leaving an abusive partner, and several times going back, before it becomes a reality. And it's much harder for people to leave without support in place.

But it's not your job to provide that support especially when it's someone you care about and you're really going above and beyond, calling in personal favours etc, I think that must take it out of you emotionally when it doesn't work out, and your mum is so caught up in the perspective of your friend (because she has been through it herself) she didn't see it from your perspective - you can't keep giving and giving in a friendship and it not take a toll.

Also I think if your friend was honest and had backed out of leaving saying she still had feelings for him, or she was scared of what he'd do if she left, or she was worried she'd not being able to cope etc you'd have been able to salvage your friendship. But instead, she lied to herself and lied to you, saying you had an unjustified vendetta against a man (who she had repeatedly told you about his abusive behaviour). That's quite a difficult accusation to come back from and it's completely understandable that you were really hurt that you've tried to help a situation that's not of your making but been essentially blamed for it, with your friend not taking any responsibility herself or acknowledging her husband is to blame.

So basically, both your friends behaviour, and your reaction to it, are completely understandable and completely normal human reactions. She has been so ground down by her husband it feels overwhelming for her to think she has her own voice or can make her own decisions. Deep down she knows you don't have a vendetta against him but she had to say that as voicing the alternative is worse for her.

If you still don't want to be friends with her then don't feel guilty. If you do want to be friends with her you can get back in touch, apologise and she if she wants to meet you but id suggest no discussion about the husband at all and no meeting at hers. He probably won't let her though.

Otherwise you could send her a message saying you understand she won't want to meet and you understand it would put her in a difficult position. But if she ever finds herself not in that position any more then you are always there for her even if you don't see each other in the mean time.

ChipsChips · 06/04/2025 15:55

It’s not uncommon for someone in an abusive relationship to take a few goes to leave. It is hard to break free.

It’s good to have boundaries and I can see why you have pulled back. Like pp I would not have blocked her or been so THE END about it. It sounds like you did more than you were happy with first time and now you’ve gone to the other extreme because you’re annoyed with her. But it’s the nature of abuse that it saps your ability to free yourself. The thing that made you want to help her is also the thing that meant she couldn’t be helped, or not at that time. In your shoes I would reach out again but take care not to become over involved.

needabiggerpatio · 06/04/2025 15:55

No. Sorry, but my life is too short to waste on people who won't help themselves. Your mother needs to mind her own business. Shame on her, honestly!

RedHelenB · 06/04/2025 15:56

If it's any consolation, I don't think her dh would have allowed her to remain friends with you after you'd done all those things to help her leave him, even if you hadn't blocked her.

Mudandstones · 06/04/2025 15:57

You seem to have regarded her failure to leave as a betrayal of you and your efforts. I think that was a really wrong way to think about it.

i think blocking and cutting her off so completely was a really cruel thing to do to someone in her situation.

YouRemindMe0fTheBabe · 06/04/2025 15:59

You did an awful lot for her and I think it was fair enough to take a step back when she wasn't ready to accept your help. I'm not sure why you felt you had to block her though, that seems harsh. As others have said, it can take many attempts for someone to leave an abusive relationship. It's just not as easy as it seems from the outside. I would absolutely reach out to her if you feel emotionally able to do so. You don't have to try and fix things, just be a friend and be there to help when she is ready to leave.

WhichOneIsPosher · 06/04/2025 15:59

LighthouseTeaCup · 06/04/2025 15:35

You can only help people who want to be helped.

This. It's shit what your mum went through but she's too emotionally invested to give you any kind of impartial advice on something like this, try not to take it to heart