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Am I greedy, or was my friend out of order?

218 replies

SummaLuvin · 06/04/2025 08:36

Went out to dinner last night with a group friends (8 of us in total some single some with partners) all lovely, great to have a catch up. One of them, Milly, is a bit difficult at times, but she is part of the group and can be thoughtful and great fun. When it came to ordering puds some of the group got one, some didn’t, DH and I decided to get the sharing plate with 3 mini desserts. For clarity we always split the bill based on what we ordered. When our dessert was put down between DH and me with 2 spoons, Milly (who was sat next to us) said to the waitress “can we have another spoon please”. One for her to also tuck into our dessert. I was a bit shocked as this wasn’t discussed. Then cue Milly, who couldn’t reach the plate saying “oooh banoffee is my favourite dessert, I really love it…” I of course made sure I ate that up so she didn’t get a look in, but let her have some of the strawberry cheesecake which I wasn’t fussed on. I generally see myself as quite laid back but felt this behaviour was pretty outrageous and not on, but given she was so brash about it I wondered if maybe I was uptight and greedy?

OP posts:
Love51 · 06/04/2025 08:59

ARainyNightInSoho · 06/04/2025 08:46

Ignorant = does not know something eg. I am ignorant about economics

It does not mean rude.

Yes it does, in the UK. Most dictionaries give the "rude" definition second as a UK informal meaning. This is a platform where informal language is acceptable.
G'wan, have a Google!

Mudkipper · 06/04/2025 08:59

HelenWheels · 06/04/2025 08:47

i do know that

why disagree with my opinion like this?

Why use the word incorrectly then?

HeddaGarbled · 06/04/2025 08:59

Unless the portions were teeny tiny, I’d have let her have a spoonful.

Mudkipper · 06/04/2025 09:01

Love51 · 06/04/2025 08:59

Yes it does, in the UK. Most dictionaries give the "rude" definition second as a UK informal meaning. This is a platform where informal language is acceptable.
G'wan, have a Google!

There’s a lot of weird stuff in online dictionaries, of which this is a good example.

NicolaDeLaHaye · 06/04/2025 09:03

Well I think you're unreasonable to share three mini desserts! At our local restaurant that's for one person only ... Meeee!!

HelenWheels · 06/04/2025 09:03

Mudkipper · 06/04/2025 08:57

I don’t think you know what ‘ignorant’ means, ironically.

of course i do
i am not ignorant unlike some posters here

HelenWheels · 06/04/2025 09:04

she was ignorant of the etiquette!

NicolaDeLaHaye · 06/04/2025 09:05

Love51 · 06/04/2025 08:59

Yes it does, in the UK. Most dictionaries give the "rude" definition second as a UK informal meaning. This is a platform where informal language is acceptable.
G'wan, have a Google!

I've always felt using ignorant to mean rude is wrong. My parents and grandparents said it and it confuses me still. Ignorant of something=you don't know something.

HelenWheels · 06/04/2025 09:07

how to derail a thread @Mudkipper
are you Milly?
or just a condescending know it all?

sharkanado · 06/04/2025 09:07

Ignorant people can be rude but it is not a synonym of rude.

HelenWheels · 06/04/2025 09:08

i wasnt using it as a synonym of rude

HelenWheels · 06/04/2025 09:08

ignorance is bliss
help yourself to other people's cakes

sharkanado · 06/04/2025 09:09

🙄

Teanbiscuits33 · 06/04/2025 09:10

Mudkipper · 06/04/2025 08:59

Why use the word incorrectly then?

Why are you so fixated on an innocuous comment? She was ignorant about the correct behaviour and of how OP might have felt about her muscling in on her dessert. It might not have occurred to her how rude she was being, therefore that is ignorant as she is IGNORING how she might be coming across. It’s weird how you’re trying to showcase some sort of superiority over a word that has no real significance to anything 🤣

applemash · 06/04/2025 09:10

She can be sensitive too, and I didn't want to be abrupt and change the mood for everyone else given we don't see each other anywhere near enough!

What you really mean is - she is sensitive when it comes to HER wants and feelings and has zero sensitivity to anyone else's. These people always get described as sensitive and yet they show fck all sensitivity to anyone else's feelings - funny that! It's not rude to just say jokingly "Oi! this is our dessert, lets call the waitress over so you can order one for you if you love banoffee" - there is no way on earth anyone could possibly become offended by that unless they have all the sensitivity of a concrete brick.

healthybychristmas · 06/04/2025 09:11

ARainyNightInSoho · 06/04/2025 08:46

Ignorant = does not know something eg. I am ignorant about economics

It does not mean rude.

Have you read Alice in Wonderland? Words can mean what you want them to mean and in parts of England ignorant certainly means someone who is ignorant of manners.

AndImBrit · 06/04/2025 09:12

Mudkipper · 06/04/2025 09:01

There’s a lot of weird stuff in online dictionaries, of which this is a good example.

Those spurious online dictionaries, like the Oxford English Dictionary, the Cambridge Dictionary and the Collins Dictionary (which all say ignorant can mean rude).

CatrionaBalfour · 06/04/2025 09:12

Dawnchorussinging · 06/04/2025 08:42

I don't understand when she asked for the extra spoon why you just didn't make it clear the sharing plate was just for you and your DH.

This. Just assert yourself.
I sometimes think there's a wet lettuce competition on here!

CatrionaBalfour · 06/04/2025 09:13

Also: ignorant does mean rude. That's very commonly used in Scotland.

sharkanado · 06/04/2025 09:13

She was ignorant about the correct behaviour and of how OP might have felt about her muscling in on her dessert.

How do we know that? Perhaps she was fully aware but just didn't care.

CatrionaBalfour · 06/04/2025 09:14

sharkanado · 06/04/2025 09:13

She was ignorant about the correct behaviour and of how OP might have felt about her muscling in on her dessert.

How do we know that? Perhaps she was fully aware but just didn't care.

True

SwanOfThoseThings · 06/04/2025 09:15

It's really annoying when people muscle in on your pudding. It's fine to ask about sharing one at the ordering stage, because the other person is free to decline, but not to assume it's OK and ask for a spoon when it arrives. Even if you intend to pay for it, that's still rude - if you don't intend to pay for it, that's even worse.

SummaLuvin · 06/04/2025 09:16

applemash · 06/04/2025 09:10

She can be sensitive too, and I didn't want to be abrupt and change the mood for everyone else given we don't see each other anywhere near enough!

What you really mean is - she is sensitive when it comes to HER wants and feelings and has zero sensitivity to anyone else's. These people always get described as sensitive and yet they show fck all sensitivity to anyone else's feelings - funny that! It's not rude to just say jokingly "Oi! this is our dessert, lets call the waitress over so you can order one for you if you love banoffee" - there is no way on earth anyone could possibly become offended by that unless they have all the sensitivity of a concrete brick.

I quite agree, she is clueless when it comes to other peoples feelings. But when I was doubting if I was right, I really didn't want to deal with her crying - which very likely would have happened if she was called out even in the nicest way - and then have 2 of the other girls have to 'console' her. Even if I was in the right it's not the mood you want, I guess in the moment I decided the lesser evil was her getting some of the pud I didn't like.

OP posts:
sharkanado · 06/04/2025 09:16

Either way she was rude to expect the OP to share.

applemash · 06/04/2025 09:18

SummaLuvin · 06/04/2025 09:16

I quite agree, she is clueless when it comes to other peoples feelings. But when I was doubting if I was right, I really didn't want to deal with her crying - which very likely would have happened if she was called out even in the nicest way - and then have 2 of the other girls have to 'console' her. Even if I was in the right it's not the mood you want, I guess in the moment I decided the lesser evil was her getting some of the pud I didn't like.

Totally get that but crying is incredibly manipulative - it's not being sensitive, it's a strategy and where does it end? - will she cry because you dont give her money? will she cry because you dont take on her on holiday with you?

Why is everyone enabling this woman and infantilising her as if she's a 7 year old throwing a tantrum?