And what makes you think the fiancee is aware they are with someone who wants to marry someone else? I'm guessing also that they are all still fairly young
It’s obvious to the blind the way they look at my child, take the opportunity to do ‘friendly’ touching, their constant desire to have individual photo’s with my child at occasions/events - usually they request the fiancée to take them🫣. That’s just what I have observed myself when I do the polite 10min chit chat with everyone if they are doing something at my house, or all meeting here before going out etc. It’s like they are deliberately blind. On the other hand, he will then turn around and kiss the fiancée and tell them how much he loves them (yep, what a prince!), while everyone, myself included, looks around uncomfortably.
The group are all late 20’s so not so young, except for my child who is the outlier being 7/8 years younger than the rest. They very sensibly refused the ‘ultimatum’ of moving in together with view to marriage. They have head screwed on, want their own property, career established and firm exit strategy where they will not be screwed over financially before they move in and commit to anyone and have kids, be it this person or anyone else. Ironically, they have not had a boyfriend since as they really did/do love them, and hasn’t found anyone yet they feel the same about. Irrespective of how they feel, they won’t cave to ultimatums and also can’t say where they’d be or how they may feel several years down the line when they do see themselves as being in the position they want to be in order to commit to anyone in a marriage/kids.
ETA - when my child started a relationship with them, they basically became her new friendship group. Friends her age didn’t want to hang out with older people, and she basically swapped friendship groups. Best friends for years now with the long term partners of the other guys in the group. So for all those on the thread saying ‘I’d never have a DH that’s friends with his ex’, my question is how does that work in such a situation. The DH is expected to leave the friendship group they have had for at least half their life? No way my child is giving up her friends and leaving it, and she’s been told the rest of the group doesn’t want that either.