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For telling my friend she was ridiculous to bring a 7 year old for a spa day!

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Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 21:25

My friend Emily has a 7 year old daughter Milly who she brings every time we meet up either when it’s just the two of us or with a group of our other friends.

Emily insists Milly wants to come but it’s frustrating as we can never have a conversation without her giving her opinion or Milly takes over and Emily sits smiling proudly, she often comments on her daughter’s maturity and how she loves joining us.

We do occasionally get time when Milly is at school but any weekend meet ups are the same, Milly could stay with her dad at home but apparently gets very upset when she’s not invited so Emily gives in and lets her come. We have had a few occasions where we have met up in restaurants for a meal in the evenings and Milly has often made an appearance, the whole evening ends up revolving round her.

My other friends said they were fed up with this as well, we stopped inviting Emily as often but she noticed and was hurt.
I managed to get her to meet me one to one and asked if she was being persuaded by her husband to bring Milly and said I was concerned that she never seemed to get time to herself, she insisted that wasn’t the case and said she thought we loved seeing Milly.
I explained that no one else brought their kids along and wanted adult time and as much as we liked Milly it’s frustrating to get childcare for other kids for a childfree evening then Milly being allowed to come.
Its not fair on the other kids and changes the dynamic and means Emily has to leave early. We are sick of censoring the conversation and being unable to talk freely.
Emily agreed to stop bringing Milly along unless other kids were going to be present.

A few weeks ago we booked a spa day for today for 3 of us and Emily.
The package included a 25 minute massage treatment each and use of the facilities for 3 hours and afternoon tea with Prosecco.
I didn’t think not to ask Emily not to bring Milly as surely it’s common sense?!

Well the spa was booked for 10am and Emily brought Milly. We asked her how she possibly thought this would work and she said Milly wanted to use the pool and we could watch her when Emily had her massage.
Emily was told by staff she couldn’t being Milly into the spa and got very upset and complained that she’d paid for the day, her husband refused to pick her up saying he’d agreed to work overtime now, Milly started crying hysterically.

I had no sympathy and told Emily one of the reasons we booked a spa day was in the hope of actually spending time with her alone and we never considered she’d bring Milly. My other friends were equally as unsympathetic and said she had brought this on herself and it was her own fault Milly was upset and if lost the money.

Emily had to leave with Milly and looked absolutely devastated, she didn’t apologise though she just kept saying how ridiculous it was that the spa wouldn’t let Milly in or make any exceptions.

After she left we all agreed it was time to stop inviting Emily anywhere as she obviously wasn’t going to stop bringing Milly, we were throughly pissed off about the whole thing.

One friend has just sent me a message saying Emily has been crying down the phone for hours on her and thinks we were maybe a bit harsh and that Emily said she finds it hard to leave Milly because she gets so upset when she can’t come along. She thinks we should apologise for getting so frustrated with her today.

I think the whole situation is fucking bizarre and if Emily was a struggling single parent I could maybe understand it, I have had enough though and I’m not apologising, I have tried to chat about it but she’s not willing to listen.

AIBU for not being more understanding? It’s not just me, my other friends feel the same, even the friend who thinks we should apologise said she thinks it’s best we no longer invite Emily.
I don’t think Emily is ever going to take in what we are saying and she will keep bringing Milly because she can’t say no to her.

OP posts:
Hankunamatata · 15/03/2025 22:03

It's weird. You literally had a conversation with her that she wasn't going to bring her dd and then she goes and brings her dd.

If she is a good friend I'd try one more time and explicitly say that she isn't to bring her dd and that if she can't do that then don't come

CuriouslyMinded · 15/03/2025 22:05

I feel really sorry for you (and your friends) for being put in this situation and also for Milly. No wonder she gets upset if her mother is saying that her friends don't want her around and that is why she can't come!
Emily sounds really emotionally immature and in need of some professional help to move past this bizarre situation and move her dynamic with Milly along.

Daleksatemyshed · 15/03/2025 22:05

The real clue here is Emily saying she thought you all loved seeing Millie, it never crossed her mind you might not want her DD to come too. Why any adult would think Spas were for 7 year olds is a mystery

Quinlan · 15/03/2025 22:08

Isittimeformynapyet · 15/03/2025 22:02

Perhaps I can help you there.

It's a possibility that one or more of the group did say that to Emily, but @Senuousnotsensuous didn't feel she had to transcribe the entire conversation verbatim and just summarised the situation.

I’d quite like the entire conversation because it’s so bizarre! But it’s also someone’s real life and not a TV show so expecting the full info is also, super cheeky.

GreenCandleWax · 15/03/2025 22:09

Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 21:30

Yeah that’s pretty much what I thought. I’m sick of trying to be understanding, I’ve realised now it’s just selfish behaviour

Apart from Emily acting like an idiot, she broke her word to you. You did your best beforehand, raising the issue and she promised, but went back on it. She needs to be asked why she did that. No way should anyone apologise.

dapsnotplimsolls · 15/03/2025 22:09

Good luck to Milly's teachers.

Isittimeformynapyet · 15/03/2025 22:09

carly2803 · 15/03/2025 21:29

do not apologise!! emily is a fucking idiot! she also needs therapy

I had a friend like this once, but instead of kid, boyfriend everyfuckingwhere

i dropped her like a stone in the end, inappropriate and also changes the dynamics

I trust you were sure your friend's BF wasn't a controlling prick. Hard to tell though if he was stuck to her like a limpet, but it might have crossed my mind (having been with a controlling prick for longer than I should).

OP's circumstance is cut and dried though - YANBU.

CarpetKnees · 15/03/2025 22:09

ThePoshUns · 15/03/2025 21:55

You’ve got more patience than me OP. I’d have binned this friendship off ages ago. Emily is off the scale bonkers.

This is my thinking.

I'm more surprised you didn't have this conversation after the first time she brought her.

You've done all you can OP - you aren't just 'not inviting her' without making it clear, you've explained it in simple terms as she seems to be lacking any social awareness. There isn't anything else you can do now, but socialise without her.

HeyDoodie · 15/03/2025 22:10

Emily is crazy, bringing a child to an adult childfree meet up. Very selfish.

Eldermilleniallyogii · 15/03/2025 22:10

YANBU

Your friend is being ridiculous and shouldn't expect to be invited anywhere. If I was having a child free spa day I wouldn't expect to look after someone else's child. I'd have been secretly happy the child wasn't allowed in!

Foxylass · 15/03/2025 22:14

Is there a hidden reason for Emily bringing Millie everywhere?
Does she not see much of her, otherwise?
Does she suffer some sort of anxiety in leaving the child at home with dad?
Does she have anxiety about being out 'alone'?

It just seems very odd....

I voted that you are not being unreasonable... but I wonder what is going on in Emily's head...

Stichintime · 15/03/2025 22:15

Sounds like Emily never went through the normal separation and boundary settjng parents go through. I've met parents and adult children who go everywhere together, work together etc etc. I'd extract myself and only invite her when you're all bringing your kids/families.

Okaygoahead · 15/03/2025 22:15

What I can't figure out is why Emily also isn't twigging to the fact that others among you ARE getting childcare and leaving your children in order to go out. Why does she think you can do that and she can't possibly? She sounds batshit enough to be smugly telling herself that you are terrible parents for abandoning your kids.🙄😁

Oioisavaloy27 · 15/03/2025 22:15

Wasn't there a thread about this a few weeks ago?

itbemay1 · 15/03/2025 22:16

Emily need to stop being a ‘friend’ to Millie and actually parent her. YADNBU

Ineedanewsofa · 15/03/2025 22:18

Have a friend who was a bit like this with her first born, she wouldn’t go anywhere without him for the first 3 years but at least she turned down invites to things unsuitable for kids rather than taking him to spas!
She seemed to snap out of it when he went to nursery/preschool and wasn’t that way with any of her other kids. It was really out of character for her too. Looking back I think she had some serious post natal anxiety but no idea if that could still be going on for your friend after 7 years? I’m assuming Milly is an old child…

MissRoseDurward · 15/03/2025 22:20

How will Emily cope in a few years when Milly wants to go out with her friends and not take Emily with her?

Sassybooklover · 15/03/2025 22:20

Milly is a spoilt little madam, who throws a toddler tantrum when she can't have her own way. Emily is too weak to say no, put boundaries in place and parent her little princess. Emily doesn't want to see you and the other friends point of view, because if she did, she'd have to actually parent darling Milly! So it's easier to blame you all, because Emily can then take no responsibility for her lack of parenting. Unfortunately, the situation won't change unless Emily is prepared to make an effort to discipline and put boundaries with her daughter. Sadly, it's all too much for poor dear Emily, who really can't be bothered. I'd stop inviting Emily, and the rest of you go out on a girlie night....an adults only one!!! Emily is a bit of a dozy mare for not realising spas don't allow under 16's!! No matter how mature they may believe they are!!!

BlondiePortz · 15/03/2025 22:22

When a women does something people think is weird or odd why is man always to blame, so women are always rational, calm and 'normal' and only men are to blame?

Fundays12 · 15/03/2025 22:23

Ohh goodness she is one of those mum's who wants to be her daughter's bestie rather than her mum. I doubt she can even believe nobody wants her precious daughter their because she is "so mature" (aka a mini pain in the bum who is totally over exposed to adult conversation).

Your not unreasonable. I would never invite her to anything again. I mean who takes a kid to an adults spa experience with their friends. As a mum of 3 kids i don't want my own kids at a spa experience with friends and I most definitely do not want my friends 7 year old there either. It changes the dynamic of the outing totally which is fine if your going to soft play but not fine when your paying for a spa experience.

Toddlerteaplease · 15/03/2025 22:25

Every spa I’ve been too makes the age limit very clear. Of course no one wants kids in a spa. I can’t believe Emily didn’t check first.

CaptainFuture · 15/03/2025 22:26

HeyDoodie · 15/03/2025 22:10

Emily is crazy, bringing a child to an adult childfree meet up. Very selfish.

Emily is batshit and doubt she'd agree to or like it if all the dc started turning up to everything like Mily does! That would stop Milly being so special or attention worthy!

Isittimeformynapyet · 15/03/2025 22:29

"To Emily, I’d say nothing unless she contacts you, and then for me, it would be a “I’m sorry you were so upset, but I’m not sure what you were expecting to happen. We have spoken about this before. Does it not matter to you how everyone else feels?” type of comment".

This from @2Hot2Handle is impeccable. I hope OP gets an opportunity to use it, if only for satifaction's sake.

downtonupton · 15/03/2025 22:29

Have a friend who does this - daughter is now 17 and has her own life but friend still tries to bring her everywhere. We stopped inviting her after a while, or being very specific about 'we're not bringing kids' or OK I will get 4 tickets for you, me friend A and friend B.. that sort of thing.

Now, friend comes to things solo more often than she used to, talks about how much her daughter would like it, and goes again a few days later with daughter.

Nothing will change till daughter goes to university if she is allowed to leave home for that.

Dweetfidilove · 15/03/2025 22:29

If you apologise, nothing changes.

Just leave the numpty out of any activity not happen during school hours.