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For telling my friend she was ridiculous to bring a 7 year old for a spa day!

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Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 21:25

My friend Emily has a 7 year old daughter Milly who she brings every time we meet up either when it’s just the two of us or with a group of our other friends.

Emily insists Milly wants to come but it’s frustrating as we can never have a conversation without her giving her opinion or Milly takes over and Emily sits smiling proudly, she often comments on her daughter’s maturity and how she loves joining us.

We do occasionally get time when Milly is at school but any weekend meet ups are the same, Milly could stay with her dad at home but apparently gets very upset when she’s not invited so Emily gives in and lets her come. We have had a few occasions where we have met up in restaurants for a meal in the evenings and Milly has often made an appearance, the whole evening ends up revolving round her.

My other friends said they were fed up with this as well, we stopped inviting Emily as often but she noticed and was hurt.
I managed to get her to meet me one to one and asked if she was being persuaded by her husband to bring Milly and said I was concerned that she never seemed to get time to herself, she insisted that wasn’t the case and said she thought we loved seeing Milly.
I explained that no one else brought their kids along and wanted adult time and as much as we liked Milly it’s frustrating to get childcare for other kids for a childfree evening then Milly being allowed to come.
Its not fair on the other kids and changes the dynamic and means Emily has to leave early. We are sick of censoring the conversation and being unable to talk freely.
Emily agreed to stop bringing Milly along unless other kids were going to be present.

A few weeks ago we booked a spa day for today for 3 of us and Emily.
The package included a 25 minute massage treatment each and use of the facilities for 3 hours and afternoon tea with Prosecco.
I didn’t think not to ask Emily not to bring Milly as surely it’s common sense?!

Well the spa was booked for 10am and Emily brought Milly. We asked her how she possibly thought this would work and she said Milly wanted to use the pool and we could watch her when Emily had her massage.
Emily was told by staff she couldn’t being Milly into the spa and got very upset and complained that she’d paid for the day, her husband refused to pick her up saying he’d agreed to work overtime now, Milly started crying hysterically.

I had no sympathy and told Emily one of the reasons we booked a spa day was in the hope of actually spending time with her alone and we never considered she’d bring Milly. My other friends were equally as unsympathetic and said she had brought this on herself and it was her own fault Milly was upset and if lost the money.

Emily had to leave with Milly and looked absolutely devastated, she didn’t apologise though she just kept saying how ridiculous it was that the spa wouldn’t let Milly in or make any exceptions.

After she left we all agreed it was time to stop inviting Emily anywhere as she obviously wasn’t going to stop bringing Milly, we were throughly pissed off about the whole thing.

One friend has just sent me a message saying Emily has been crying down the phone for hours on her and thinks we were maybe a bit harsh and that Emily said she finds it hard to leave Milly because she gets so upset when she can’t come along. She thinks we should apologise for getting so frustrated with her today.

I think the whole situation is fucking bizarre and if Emily was a struggling single parent I could maybe understand it, I have had enough though and I’m not apologising, I have tried to chat about it but she’s not willing to listen.

AIBU for not being more understanding? It’s not just me, my other friends feel the same, even the friend who thinks we should apologise said she thinks it’s best we no longer invite Emily.
I don’t think Emily is ever going to take in what we are saying and she will keep bringing Milly because she can’t say no to her.

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Justanothercatlady · 15/03/2025 23:10

So Emily had a crying tantrum to another friend and refuses to accept no - no you can’t bring Milly? Wonder where Milly learnt being a spoilt brat from?

dizzydizzydizzy · 15/03/2025 23:11

TomatoSandwiches · 15/03/2025 21:34

Emily needs to be an actual parent and teach Milly the word no.

I would not be apologising and I would tell her to lose my number, what a pain in the arse.

This!

Blondeshavemorefun · 15/03/2025 23:13

weird

i take it that milly has never been told no. And always gets her way

Emily needs to grow some balls and parent her child

boundary’s and saying no

pistaacioaquestion · 15/03/2025 23:15

I want to know who voted YABU and why, you are definitely not being unreasonable.

EdithBond · 15/03/2025 23:15

Being generous, maybe one of them has separation anxiety. Maybe Milly has total meltdowns if she tries to leave her. But Emily could to explain that. Maybe Emily has a phobia about leaving her, which she’s embarrassed about. Maybe her DH is different behind closed doors and refuses to look after her or puts her at risk.

But most likely sounds like she just can’t be straightforwardly firm with her (I’m off out now. See you later. No you can’t come), which isn’t great. Turning up with her for a friends spa day, and the crying on the phone, sounds like she’s losing it a bit. Or really poor at understanding social norms. I’d be a bit concerned about her.

I wouldn’t exclude her. I’d keep inviting her but make it clear each time it’s only if she doesn’t bring Milly and if she does it again without talking to you about it first, you’ll have to stop inviting her.

Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 23:17

Isittimeformynapyet · 15/03/2025 22:02

Perhaps I can help you there.

It's a possibility that one or more of the group did say that to Emily, but @Senuousnotsensuous didn't feel she had to transcribe the entire conversation verbatim and just summarised the situation.

Thank you that is the case!
I thought the post was long enough and I know people stop reading if it’s too long.

We did mention it to Emily but it’s difficult to say anything when Milly is actually there, we’ve tried being diplomatic and saying things like, did Milly not want time with her daddy today?
The problem is that Milly then says she wanted to come.

Of course Milly wants to come because Emily tries to constantly include her, if she was just sat colouring or watching an iPad it wouldn’t be as irritating but she sits listening to the conversation, trying to change the subject or asking questions.

One of our friends is seriously sick of it and said if Milly came again she wasn’t keeping the conversation child friendly and if Emily had difficult questions to answer it was her fault. We thought that might have put a stop to it but then she brought Milly today.

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MsAmerica · 15/03/2025 23:21

You're not being unreasonable, but Miss Manners would suggest that you had instead said: "You know, I really miss talking to you - you know, two dear friends having an adult conversation. No matter how much we enjoy Milly, you're the one I really want to talk to! Let me know when you might have time for lunch, just the two of us."

JanglyBeads · 15/03/2025 23:25

I really hope those aren't their actual names....

JocelynLimo · 15/03/2025 23:25

So bizarre...most spas are over 16 or at least over 14. I'd be wondering what is going on with her. Do you have meetups with kids you can invite them on...and spell out it's strictly adults only when it's no kids.

WhistPie · 15/03/2025 23:27

I'm off on a spa day tomorrow. If I found out they'd let 7 year olds in, I wouldn't be going there again! It's an adult thing.

Middleagedstriker · 15/03/2025 23:29

Poor kid.

andthat · 15/03/2025 23:31

Middleagedstriker · 15/03/2025 23:29

Poor kid.

Why?!

bluegreygreen · 15/03/2025 23:31

OP, I would suggest to your friends that Emily owes you all an apology, rather than the other way around.

It's quite disrespectful to those of you who have gone to the trouble of arranging care for your own children for her to keep bringing Milly.

Quinlan · 15/03/2025 23:32

MsAmerica · 15/03/2025 23:21

You're not being unreasonable, but Miss Manners would suggest that you had instead said: "You know, I really miss talking to you - you know, two dear friends having an adult conversation. No matter how much we enjoy Milly, you're the one I really want to talk to! Let me know when you might have time for lunch, just the two of us."

Ugh, would you ever say “Miss manner says…” if you were talking on a forum aimed at men? Yuck.

PorridgeEater · 15/03/2025 23:37

Can you concentrate on meeting up when Milly is in school? Be "ladies who lunch."
And Emily not mention to Milly that she is doing anything.
(Emily's attitude does sound very annoying - can't blame the child of course).

autisticbookworm · 15/03/2025 23:39

I wouldn’t pander to her you have been clear you want adult time and she continuously ignores your wishes . If she doesn’t want to leave her dd then she doesn’t have to. And yes I’d assume all adults know spas do not accept children. In a way it’s good it happened as she didn’t get away with it this time.

I’d double down, if she wants to be invited she doesn’t bring her dd unless other children are going. .

katseyes7 · 15/03/2025 23:41

*downtonupton *
I had similar to this with a close friend whose (older) teenage daughter would tag on quite often when l met her mum. I didn't have a problem with the daughter but at the time my marriage was in a very bad way and l needed to talk to my friend about it, which l felt l couldn't when she was there.
I'm pretty sure if her mum had wanted to tag along when she went out with her friends, she'd have been horrified.
Also, when we went anywhere, for a meal, or shopping, her daughter would start moaning after an hour or so, and wanting to go home, whether we did or not.
What finally made me put my foot down was after my friend had had surgery and couldn't drive, and asked if l could take her to hospital for her post op appointment. I said yes, of course, took the day off work.
When l got to their house, her daughter was there as well. And my friend announced "Oh, XXX is coming with us as well...."
Her daughter drove. She had her own car. She could have taken her mum to the hospital and l could have saved a day's holiday.
That was the end of it for me.

JustGotToKeepOnKeepingOn · 15/03/2025 23:41

MsAmerica · 15/03/2025 23:21

You're not being unreasonable, but Miss Manners would suggest that you had instead said: "You know, I really miss talking to you - you know, two dear friends having an adult conversation. No matter how much we enjoy Milly, you're the one I really want to talk to! Let me know when you might have time for lunch, just the two of us."

OP said in her post that she has spoken to Emily and given her all the reasons why Milly shouldn’t be there… it all fell on deaf ears.

friendlycat · 15/03/2025 23:42

It’s completely inappropriate and you have nothing to apologise for. I’m afraid you just have to stop inviting your friend along to things.

She must have the hind of a rhino to not pick up the vibes that it doesn’t work and why should you all spend money and your free time entertaining her child whilst you have left yours at home?

I have a friend who will occasionally invite one or two of her adult daughters to our get togethers and even though they are young women it still changes the dynamics of our lunches whereby we need to focus more on their lives and the conversation is different.

There's absolutely no way you can have adult conversation and the normal discussions and dynamics of a girls get together with a 7 year old present . Bonkers.

Middleagedstriker · 15/03/2025 23:42

andthat · 15/03/2025 23:31

Why?!

Because her parents have created a very strange world in which she has to be with her mum all the time and is either unable to be with her Dad for whatever reason. He is horrible or useless so she only wants her Mum. Which is setting her up for a lifetime of expecting men to be horrible or useless. Or her Mum is unable to allow anyone else to look after her because she either wants her daughter to validate her or because she trusts no one else. Neither of which is healthy.

One of the mums at school was like this and her daughter (now 18) was made to be her mum's bf and has no friends her age. It's been nasty to watch but quite obvious this would be the outcome from a young age. On FB it's all shown as such a lovely mum and daughter thing but the reality is very different.

PlumRasberryJam · 15/03/2025 23:43

Emily said she finds it hard to leave Milly because she gets so upset when she can’t come along.

That’s what stands out to me. I think those saying to drop and not bother with Emily, that’s a reasonable reaction. Just keep in mind though, not all kids are easy or understanding. It can be very different behind closed doors with kids, they’re not all able to be mini independent adults at that age, no matter how much the desire is, reality may be different.

Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 23:50

0ohLarLar · 15/03/2025 21:41

Yanbu. A spa day clearly does not include a child.

I wonder - does emily spend a lot of time off with friends etc or does milly get plenty of time with mum? I have a friend who works long hours mon - fri, has a sport hobby (without kids) most of saturday am and then seems to meet friends 3/4 saturday afternoons. Her daughter gets tearful at mum not taking her but its probably because she gets barely any time with her.

I note that my kids are this age and i have not had a spa day in about 5 years - we are quite busy at the weekend with kids etc!!

Edited

Milly gets plenty of time with her mum because Emily takes her absolutely everywhere.

Emily works part time so she’s got time with Milly after school, she doesn’t have any hobbies now but she used to. Since Milly was born she dropped any hobbies and her world revolves around her.

I know her husband would like more time together as a couple, both Emily and her husband have family living locally who would babysit Milly but she’d only likes time with them if Emily is there as well.

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Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 23:54

JanglyBeads · 15/03/2025 23:25

I really hope those aren't their actual names....

They aren’t 😂

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Roaminginthegloaming · 15/03/2025 23:55

@Senuousnotsensuous -

please google “Violet Elizabeth Bott”

This is who Milly is.

Tigergirl80 · 15/03/2025 23:59

What happened to telling kids gone to see a man about a dog as we used to be told? Basically non of your business.