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For telling my friend she was ridiculous to bring a 7 year old for a spa day!

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Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 21:25

My friend Emily has a 7 year old daughter Milly who she brings every time we meet up either when it’s just the two of us or with a group of our other friends.

Emily insists Milly wants to come but it’s frustrating as we can never have a conversation without her giving her opinion or Milly takes over and Emily sits smiling proudly, she often comments on her daughter’s maturity and how she loves joining us.

We do occasionally get time when Milly is at school but any weekend meet ups are the same, Milly could stay with her dad at home but apparently gets very upset when she’s not invited so Emily gives in and lets her come. We have had a few occasions where we have met up in restaurants for a meal in the evenings and Milly has often made an appearance, the whole evening ends up revolving round her.

My other friends said they were fed up with this as well, we stopped inviting Emily as often but she noticed and was hurt.
I managed to get her to meet me one to one and asked if she was being persuaded by her husband to bring Milly and said I was concerned that she never seemed to get time to herself, she insisted that wasn’t the case and said she thought we loved seeing Milly.
I explained that no one else brought their kids along and wanted adult time and as much as we liked Milly it’s frustrating to get childcare for other kids for a childfree evening then Milly being allowed to come.
Its not fair on the other kids and changes the dynamic and means Emily has to leave early. We are sick of censoring the conversation and being unable to talk freely.
Emily agreed to stop bringing Milly along unless other kids were going to be present.

A few weeks ago we booked a spa day for today for 3 of us and Emily.
The package included a 25 minute massage treatment each and use of the facilities for 3 hours and afternoon tea with Prosecco.
I didn’t think not to ask Emily not to bring Milly as surely it’s common sense?!

Well the spa was booked for 10am and Emily brought Milly. We asked her how she possibly thought this would work and she said Milly wanted to use the pool and we could watch her when Emily had her massage.
Emily was told by staff she couldn’t being Milly into the spa and got very upset and complained that she’d paid for the day, her husband refused to pick her up saying he’d agreed to work overtime now, Milly started crying hysterically.

I had no sympathy and told Emily one of the reasons we booked a spa day was in the hope of actually spending time with her alone and we never considered she’d bring Milly. My other friends were equally as unsympathetic and said she had brought this on herself and it was her own fault Milly was upset and if lost the money.

Emily had to leave with Milly and looked absolutely devastated, she didn’t apologise though she just kept saying how ridiculous it was that the spa wouldn’t let Milly in or make any exceptions.

After she left we all agreed it was time to stop inviting Emily anywhere as she obviously wasn’t going to stop bringing Milly, we were throughly pissed off about the whole thing.

One friend has just sent me a message saying Emily has been crying down the phone for hours on her and thinks we were maybe a bit harsh and that Emily said she finds it hard to leave Milly because she gets so upset when she can’t come along. She thinks we should apologise for getting so frustrated with her today.

I think the whole situation is fucking bizarre and if Emily was a struggling single parent I could maybe understand it, I have had enough though and I’m not apologising, I have tried to chat about it but she’s not willing to listen.

AIBU for not being more understanding? It’s not just me, my other friends feel the same, even the friend who thinks we should apologise said she thinks it’s best we no longer invite Emily.
I don’t think Emily is ever going to take in what we are saying and she will keep bringing Milly because she can’t say no to her.

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Bailamosse · 15/03/2025 21:36

Emily is batshit, and Milly will grow up to be exactly the same.

Avoid.

MumChp · 15/03/2025 21:36

bridgetreilly · 15/03/2025 21:34

  1. She should have checked whether Milly was invited by you and whether the spa would let her in. Not your fault she didn’t.
  2. Milly needs to learn that her mother has her own life too, and sometimes she isn’t invited. Just like when she plays with her friends, they don’t always want a mum joining in.
  3. In future, all invitations need to specify they are adults only. And if Emily doesn’t like it, that’s tough.
  1. Millie's mum needs to learn...
It's not a child's responsibility that her mother can't set boundaries.
Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 15/03/2025 21:37

Her world might revolve around her daughter but she is ridiculous to think yours should too.

Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 21:38

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 15/03/2025 21:31

She ridiculous, and tbh you’ve tried to state the obvious and she still doesn’t want to get it. I’d stop inviting her places

We have agreed now not to invite her again.

We have been friends for over twenty years and she was never like this, she was always funny and independent and usually the wild one on a night out.

I was convinced it was her husband who knew she had a bit of a colourful past sending Milly to keep an eye on her.
I’ve actually heard him trying to encourage her to go out without Milly now though so I don’t think it’s that.

I have tried several times to work out why she brings her, I just think now it’s because she can’t say no.

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cakeisallyouneed · 15/03/2025 21:39

Regardless of all the other aspects of this, I’ve never been to a spa that accepted kids that young. Surely she should have checked before hand? It’s odd she just thought it would be allowed. She definitely needs to accept that she can’t always say yes to her child. Next time book a girls trip to the cinema and make it a cert 15.

Hekett · 15/03/2025 21:40

Too weird. I stopped seeing a friend when she insisted her 8 year old had to come everywhere. Not appropriate!

0ohLarLar · 15/03/2025 21:41

Yanbu. A spa day clearly does not include a child.

I wonder - does emily spend a lot of time off with friends etc or does milly get plenty of time with mum? I have a friend who works long hours mon - fri, has a sport hobby (without kids) most of saturday am and then seems to meet friends 3/4 saturday afternoons. Her daughter gets tearful at mum not taking her but its probably because she gets barely any time with her.

I note that my kids are this age and i have not had a spa day in about 5 years - we are quite busy at the weekend with kids etc!!

Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 21:42

cakeisallyouneed · 15/03/2025 21:39

Regardless of all the other aspects of this, I’ve never been to a spa that accepted kids that young. Surely she should have checked before hand? It’s odd she just thought it would be allowed. She definitely needs to accept that she can’t always say yes to her child. Next time book a girls trip to the cinema and make it a cert 15.

There won’t be a next time, I think we could book a weekend of debauchery in vegas and she’d bring Milly then look confused and upset when we say it’s unsuitable 🤷🏼‍♀️.

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Crazybaby123 · 15/03/2025 21:43

Surely everybody in the world knows that children can't go into spas and have a spa day.
My kids want to go everywhere I go, I just explain to them that some places and some times are adults only. Sometimes they make a fuss and of cohrse all kids try and pull on the heart strings and try and guilt trip you into staying home or taking them. Does Emily not realise everyone elses kids do the same but most people will just say no, not this time you can't come?

DollydaydreamTheThird · 15/03/2025 21:44

The women needs to grow a backbone and start parenting her daughter instead of being her mate. Kids need to be told no. It's part of life. So what if she has a melt down. She'll soon realise mummy is going anyway.
It must be hard when you've been friends so long but stick to your guns. You all deserve adult time. Emily does too but clearly she can't or won't accept that.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/03/2025 21:45

What I don't understand is that you mentioned "Emily agreed to stop bringing Milly along unless other kids were going to be present" and yet it seems no-one said "you agreed about this, Emily, so what's Milly doing here?" Confused

Anyway you've all agreed not to invite her again, which was the sensible thing to do, so she'll just have to deal with it

someonethatyoulovetoomuch · 15/03/2025 21:49

crockofshite · 15/03/2025 21:27

Emily needs therapy.

But will the therapist let her take milly with her?

Ritzybitzy · 15/03/2025 21:49

Emily is on for a world of hell when puberty kicks in!

ItGhoul · 15/03/2025 21:51

Oh god, I cannot bear people who insist on bringing their child to EVERYTHING. A friend of a friend is like this - takes her kid everywhere. Evening meals, gigs, dinner parties, everything. She brought her child to my friend’s 40th birthday dinner and the child was incredibly irritating and attention-seeking - and the mum had the audacity to complain about people swearing in the presence of her child after a few drinks.

ThePoshUns · 15/03/2025 21:55

You’ve got more patience than me OP. I’d have binned this friendship off ages ago. Emily is off the scale bonkers.

surreygirl1987 · 15/03/2025 21:56

That's really really weird. I have a 6 year old and I would never do that. Show her this thread maybe?

Crapola25 · 15/03/2025 21:57

Emily is bat shit mad. If she can't see your point of view then let her spend all her time on her own with her kid.

Moonlightdust · 15/03/2025 21:57

I couldn’t even get past the first few lines without being irked. I’ve got 3 kids and no way would I be continually dragging one along to meet ups with friends. Ridiculous woman.

Bestfootforward11 · 15/03/2025 21:58

This all sounds bizarre. I don’t understand the bit where Milly wants to come and your friend gives in. Sounds a bit mad to me for a 7 year old to be able to dictate what happens and not sure why your friend is allowing this. And also strange for her not to get the fact that you guys want adult time and obviously don’t particularly want to watch her daughter while she has a massage. I hope your friend is ok, as this doesn’t sound particularly healthy for her or Milly.

Moonlightdust · 15/03/2025 21:59

Oh and Milly sounds like a spoilt brat.

ChaToilLeam · 15/03/2025 22:01

Emily is off her rocker and she is not doing Milly any favours either. She needs to get that kid telt! It’s common sense that some places and situations are just not suitable for kids and that you don’t take them everywhere.

Quinlan · 15/03/2025 22:01

Your friend sounds utterly bonkers. I’m a single parent to 2 kids and I have never taken them to any meet ups which weren’t specially planned to involve children.
Did she have depression or complication after having Milly? Anything that could explain this bizarre bond and inability to leave her now?
It’s just so odd.

I think I would send a message explaining everything you’ve said here, how you’re all feeling and how this is the last invite she will get unless she can listen and commit to chance. If she won’t, then tell her you need to end the friendship because it is untenable.

2Hot2Handle · 15/03/2025 22:02

To Emily, I’d say nothing unless she contacts you, and then for me, it would be a “I’m sorry you were so upset, but I’m not sure what you were expecting to happen. We have spoken about this before. Does it not matter to you how everyone else feels?” type of comment.

To the friend saying you were too harsh, I’d explain that you’d had a quiet word with Emily in the past, to explain that these meet ups were adult-only time, so Emily brought her daughter along on this occasion, already knowing the situation.

She might get less sympathy, if people know she’s aware of everyone’s feelings on the matter and continues to turn up with her child, knowing it would affect everyone else’s enjoyment of the day. Flip the victim narrative.

Isittimeformynapyet · 15/03/2025 22:02

Puzzledandpissedoff · 15/03/2025 21:45

What I don't understand is that you mentioned "Emily agreed to stop bringing Milly along unless other kids were going to be present" and yet it seems no-one said "you agreed about this, Emily, so what's Milly doing here?" Confused

Anyway you've all agreed not to invite her again, which was the sensible thing to do, so she'll just have to deal with it

Perhaps I can help you there.

It's a possibility that one or more of the group did say that to Emily, but @Senuousnotsensuous didn't feel she had to transcribe the entire conversation verbatim and just summarised the situation.

Ameliepoulainandthephotobooth · 15/03/2025 22:02

Hopefully Emily is a mumsnetter and will see for herself.

Hi Milly!