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For telling my friend she was ridiculous to bring a 7 year old for a spa day!

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Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 21:25

My friend Emily has a 7 year old daughter Milly who she brings every time we meet up either when it’s just the two of us or with a group of our other friends.

Emily insists Milly wants to come but it’s frustrating as we can never have a conversation without her giving her opinion or Milly takes over and Emily sits smiling proudly, she often comments on her daughter’s maturity and how she loves joining us.

We do occasionally get time when Milly is at school but any weekend meet ups are the same, Milly could stay with her dad at home but apparently gets very upset when she’s not invited so Emily gives in and lets her come. We have had a few occasions where we have met up in restaurants for a meal in the evenings and Milly has often made an appearance, the whole evening ends up revolving round her.

My other friends said they were fed up with this as well, we stopped inviting Emily as often but she noticed and was hurt.
I managed to get her to meet me one to one and asked if she was being persuaded by her husband to bring Milly and said I was concerned that she never seemed to get time to herself, she insisted that wasn’t the case and said she thought we loved seeing Milly.
I explained that no one else brought their kids along and wanted adult time and as much as we liked Milly it’s frustrating to get childcare for other kids for a childfree evening then Milly being allowed to come.
Its not fair on the other kids and changes the dynamic and means Emily has to leave early. We are sick of censoring the conversation and being unable to talk freely.
Emily agreed to stop bringing Milly along unless other kids were going to be present.

A few weeks ago we booked a spa day for today for 3 of us and Emily.
The package included a 25 minute massage treatment each and use of the facilities for 3 hours and afternoon tea with Prosecco.
I didn’t think not to ask Emily not to bring Milly as surely it’s common sense?!

Well the spa was booked for 10am and Emily brought Milly. We asked her how she possibly thought this would work and she said Milly wanted to use the pool and we could watch her when Emily had her massage.
Emily was told by staff she couldn’t being Milly into the spa and got very upset and complained that she’d paid for the day, her husband refused to pick her up saying he’d agreed to work overtime now, Milly started crying hysterically.

I had no sympathy and told Emily one of the reasons we booked a spa day was in the hope of actually spending time with her alone and we never considered she’d bring Milly. My other friends were equally as unsympathetic and said she had brought this on herself and it was her own fault Milly was upset and if lost the money.

Emily had to leave with Milly and looked absolutely devastated, she didn’t apologise though she just kept saying how ridiculous it was that the spa wouldn’t let Milly in or make any exceptions.

After she left we all agreed it was time to stop inviting Emily anywhere as she obviously wasn’t going to stop bringing Milly, we were throughly pissed off about the whole thing.

One friend has just sent me a message saying Emily has been crying down the phone for hours on her and thinks we were maybe a bit harsh and that Emily said she finds it hard to leave Milly because she gets so upset when she can’t come along. She thinks we should apologise for getting so frustrated with her today.

I think the whole situation is fucking bizarre and if Emily was a struggling single parent I could maybe understand it, I have had enough though and I’m not apologising, I have tried to chat about it but she’s not willing to listen.

AIBU for not being more understanding? It’s not just me, my other friends feel the same, even the friend who thinks we should apologise said she thinks it’s best we no longer invite Emily.
I don’t think Emily is ever going to take in what we are saying and she will keep bringing Milly because she can’t say no to her.

OP posts:
MissMoan · 15/03/2025 22:30

Emily is a selfish dipshit. YANBU

Flopsy145 · 15/03/2025 22:30

My DD wanted to come to dinner with me and my friends last night, she's 4, I said no daddy's going to put you to bed I'll see you in the morning, she said ok. Simple.
Sounds like Milly has been parented permissively and Emily is dealing with the consequences under the guise it's her decision and they're besties, but in actual fact she's created a monster who rules the roost.

Luminiiii · 15/03/2025 22:32

I think in 5 years time when Milly is 12 and wants her mum as far away as possible from her and her on friends, Emily may begin to realise the error of her ways!

Katbum · 15/03/2025 22:35

It would be kind to explain to your friend that she is doing her child no favours by enabling this over attachment to continue. My small daughter cries when I go out without her and asks to come along. I say no. She gets over it 10 mins after I leave and has a lovely day with daddy/nanny/aunty or whoever. Of course you don’t just bring kids everywhere.

CharlotteStreetW1 · 15/03/2025 22:38

This calls for one of those "I'm sorry if you're upset..." type of non-apologies.

Quinlan · 15/03/2025 22:38

BlondiePortz · 15/03/2025 22:22

When a women does something people think is weird or odd why is man always to blame, so women are always rational, calm and 'normal' and only men are to blame?

She’d known the woman for 20 years, and this was clearly an unexpected and very out of character way for her to behave. Given the statistics, it’s actually a very sensible question to check if there is coercion. Just like it’s very sensible to check if there is depression or anxiety when the child is young which wasn’t treated. These are things a real friend would ask. It isn’t automatic blaming men. They are just very apt and sensible questions to ask of someone you’ve known 20 years who acts out of character. Before you make the decision that they’ve gone full mamma bear batshit and cut them off.

BanditsWife · 15/03/2025 22:38

I’m glad you checked if there was something going on with Emily’s H, though I would still be wary of this. I have a friend who started taking her dc everywhere and would dress it up as saying it was a treat for the dc and they were so excited about it. Well, after many months, it turned out that her p had been abusing my friend for years and when she had become completely deadened to it, he started on the dc as a way of torturing my friend. Horrendous. We were completely unaware. And I was so glad none of us had ever said to her not to take the dc, even though we had rolled our eyes behind her back. 🤢😢

Sorry, I’m not sure what this means for your situation, other than perhaps everything is not as it seems.

justasking111 · 15/03/2025 22:40

I know two women like this. Their Millie's are precocious brats. One marriage broke down because of it. It's bizarre that these children are their best friend they'll tell everyone.

Parent your child I want to say.

Miaowzabella · 15/03/2025 22:42

What sort of apology does Emily expect? 'I'm sorry you are an idiot and deeply regret that your daughter is a spoiled brat in the making'?

Whatanidiot123 · 15/03/2025 22:45

Totally bonkers to be dragging a kid on days/meals out. I would have hated this pre-kids as I went through infertility and recurrent miscarriages, and I’d hate it now because my kid free nights are rare gold dust and I want to drink, swear and rant with my mates freely! Suggests she’s permissive and has no boundaries….

I have a seven year old who often clings to me and tells me not to out, to the gym etc. I explain gently that it’s mummy time and that I can’t wait to do xyz when we get back. Tell her I love her and then leave. Kindly enforced boundaries. She’s fine! When I can be flexible then I will be e.g my personal trainer allows kids and my DD enjoys chatting to her and showing her toys and artwork, so I let her come occasionally when the need arises e.g DH is taking her brother somewhere. Not whenever she fancies it.

I work full time and so I do also prioritise time with my children at weekends so I organize social events without them reasonably sparingly.

CalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 15/03/2025 22:46

My adult friend in her fifties recently cancelled a meet up because her 25 year old daughter had a bug (a trivial cold) and she wanted to be at home to make her lemsips. This is where your friend is heading. Unhealthily joined at the hip.

CautiousLurker01 · 15/03/2025 22:46

Emily is overly enmeshed/codependent. Its incredibly unhealthy for both mother and child and they desperately need family therapy. It’s unfathomable that she thought children would be allowed in an adult spa, let alone thought she could bring her and you would all look after her.

The best thing you could all do is what you did today - make it clear it’s not on. It may be the only thing that makes her realise she needs help and that she and Milly need to ‘detach’, otherwise they’ll end up growing old together surrounded by cats, and the husband will be long gone.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 15/03/2025 22:48

Whatanidiot123 · 15/03/2025 22:45

Totally bonkers to be dragging a kid on days/meals out. I would have hated this pre-kids as I went through infertility and recurrent miscarriages, and I’d hate it now because my kid free nights are rare gold dust and I want to drink, swear and rant with my mates freely! Suggests she’s permissive and has no boundaries….

I have a seven year old who often clings to me and tells me not to out, to the gym etc. I explain gently that it’s mummy time and that I can’t wait to do xyz when we get back. Tell her I love her and then leave. Kindly enforced boundaries. She’s fine! When I can be flexible then I will be e.g my personal trainer allows kids and my DD enjoys chatting to her and showing her toys and artwork, so I let her come occasionally when the need arises e.g DH is taking her brother somewhere. Not whenever she fancies it.

I work full time and so I do also prioritise time with my children at weekends so I organize social events without them reasonably sparingly.

I agree with every single word of this. My kid is exactly the same but she can absolutely survive a gentle no. Are you, by any chance, me?

Oblomov25 · 15/03/2025 22:51

I couldn't cope with this, I'd have told her long ago.

HellDorado · 15/03/2025 22:51

Time to give up on Emily. She clearly can’t get a grip and behave like an adult.

It’s not about anyone disliking her daughter. I can remember spending time with my parents’ friends as a child… when their children were there too. That was normal. My parents also had nights out with their friends without us. Equally normal.

GreenCandleWax · 15/03/2025 22:54

Playing devil's advocate for a moment - is it possible that Emily does not want to leave Millie with her father? If so, does she have a good reason?

2021x · 15/03/2025 22:57

I am a single, childless woman and I have lost friendships because some of my female friends can't do anything social without their kids, even for a 45 min coffee. I find it very sexist that as a woman I have to accomodate for this all the time, where as men can just expect it to not happen.

I had one friend who I asked to catch up with out her kids (one was a very disruptive toddler) and she ghosted me for 3 months, and by the time she text me she wasnt in the country any more. What made me even more angry is that her husband had just got back from a 4 day break with his friends without the kids.

So no you are not unreasonable, Emily is Millys mum not her friend, I think there is something very wrong if a 7 year old is brought to a spa and gets upset about not being included. Its extremely hard to speak to your friends when they have their children around. Their maybe some coercive control going on, but its more likey that Emily is insecure about her parenting and is overdoing it. Now she has had some real life and financial concequences she might rethink, but it souonds like she is will be the victim about it instead.

BitterTits · 15/03/2025 22:57

Oof, this is ending up in the Daily Mail.

LauderSyme · 15/03/2025 22:59

I have never experienced this with my 'mum friends'. There is some kind of weird parent-child codependency happening here.

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 15/03/2025 22:59

Emily sounds surgically fused to her 7 year old. Have you checked there’s no signs of the umbilical cord still attached? I would also stop inviting her. Her own inability to use the word ‘No’ with her own child isn’t everyone else’s problem. Utterly ridiculous thinking it was appropriate taking her to a spa session. At least the staff were not afraid to use the word No! Trouble is you’ve now witnessed what happens when Milly isn’t allowed to tag along and that’s probably what Emily deals with all the time, but that’s her own doing and I would be struggling with sympathy too. Certainly no apologies from me.

Tbrh · 15/03/2025 23:00

Ditch Emily

JeanGenieJean · 15/03/2025 23:01

I have a friend like this, she brought her daughter everywhere and all she wanted to talk about was DC's exam results and even her test results when she was still in primary. It was really boring but she seemed to think everyone was as interested in her daughter as she was.
DC wasn't allowed to live away from home while at univ, she was dropped off and picked up every day by mum and they met up at lunchtime.
DC is now an adult with very poor mental health, she doesn't work, just stays at home with her mum who has given up work to be with her.

notthatoldchestnut · 15/03/2025 23:05

TomatoSandwiches · 15/03/2025 21:34

Emily needs to be an actual parent and teach Milly the word no.

I would not be apologising and I would tell her to lose my number, what a pain in the arse.

This^^

TheChosenTwo · 15/03/2025 23:05

Urgh. I love spending time with my (now mostly grown up but even when they were small) kids, hell I even enjoy spending time with other peoples kids - I worked in schools for years, they’re really fun!
But I’ve always had adult time away from them because it’s healthy. And they’ve been used to me leaving the house without them since the were small and because I also
prioritised my own friendships and a life away from them.
Emily sounds like she needs to get a grip and tell Milly in no uncertain terms that she’s not invited to everything. Sounds really stifling and generally like it’s spoiling adult get togethers.
Side note, what adult thinks you can or even should take a kid to the spa?!

fluffyblanky · 15/03/2025 23:05

I have a friend who brings her husband to everything. I mean he’s great, but does he always have to be there? No!!

this is day time activities with kids FYI not evening get togethers.