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For telling my friend she was ridiculous to bring a 7 year old for a spa day!

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Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 21:25

My friend Emily has a 7 year old daughter Milly who she brings every time we meet up either when it’s just the two of us or with a group of our other friends.

Emily insists Milly wants to come but it’s frustrating as we can never have a conversation without her giving her opinion or Milly takes over and Emily sits smiling proudly, she often comments on her daughter’s maturity and how she loves joining us.

We do occasionally get time when Milly is at school but any weekend meet ups are the same, Milly could stay with her dad at home but apparently gets very upset when she’s not invited so Emily gives in and lets her come. We have had a few occasions where we have met up in restaurants for a meal in the evenings and Milly has often made an appearance, the whole evening ends up revolving round her.

My other friends said they were fed up with this as well, we stopped inviting Emily as often but she noticed and was hurt.
I managed to get her to meet me one to one and asked if she was being persuaded by her husband to bring Milly and said I was concerned that she never seemed to get time to herself, she insisted that wasn’t the case and said she thought we loved seeing Milly.
I explained that no one else brought their kids along and wanted adult time and as much as we liked Milly it’s frustrating to get childcare for other kids for a childfree evening then Milly being allowed to come.
Its not fair on the other kids and changes the dynamic and means Emily has to leave early. We are sick of censoring the conversation and being unable to talk freely.
Emily agreed to stop bringing Milly along unless other kids were going to be present.

A few weeks ago we booked a spa day for today for 3 of us and Emily.
The package included a 25 minute massage treatment each and use of the facilities for 3 hours and afternoon tea with Prosecco.
I didn’t think not to ask Emily not to bring Milly as surely it’s common sense?!

Well the spa was booked for 10am and Emily brought Milly. We asked her how she possibly thought this would work and she said Milly wanted to use the pool and we could watch her when Emily had her massage.
Emily was told by staff she couldn’t being Milly into the spa and got very upset and complained that she’d paid for the day, her husband refused to pick her up saying he’d agreed to work overtime now, Milly started crying hysterically.

I had no sympathy and told Emily one of the reasons we booked a spa day was in the hope of actually spending time with her alone and we never considered she’d bring Milly. My other friends were equally as unsympathetic and said she had brought this on herself and it was her own fault Milly was upset and if lost the money.

Emily had to leave with Milly and looked absolutely devastated, she didn’t apologise though she just kept saying how ridiculous it was that the spa wouldn’t let Milly in or make any exceptions.

After she left we all agreed it was time to stop inviting Emily anywhere as she obviously wasn’t going to stop bringing Milly, we were throughly pissed off about the whole thing.

One friend has just sent me a message saying Emily has been crying down the phone for hours on her and thinks we were maybe a bit harsh and that Emily said she finds it hard to leave Milly because she gets so upset when she can’t come along. She thinks we should apologise for getting so frustrated with her today.

I think the whole situation is fucking bizarre and if Emily was a struggling single parent I could maybe understand it, I have had enough though and I’m not apologising, I have tried to chat about it but she’s not willing to listen.

AIBU for not being more understanding? It’s not just me, my other friends feel the same, even the friend who thinks we should apologise said she thinks it’s best we no longer invite Emily.
I don’t think Emily is ever going to take in what we are saying and she will keep bringing Milly because she can’t say no to her.

OP posts:
Praying4Peace · 16/03/2025 20:08

Every parent will appreciate the need for childfree time and childfree conversations. YANBU at all. I would find this incredibly irritating too

cardboardvillage · 16/03/2025 20:08

independentfriend · 16/03/2025 19:28

Not your problem but there might well be more to this than a mum who can't say no to a child. Milly may not feel safe away from her mum for justifiable or not so objectively sensible reasons. So don't be surprised if a back story emerges from Emily over time.

she should just stay home then

imagine going on a spa day and having a
seven year old splashing in the pool 🙄

WhatMummyMakesSheEats · 16/03/2025 20:09

I think Milly is going to be in therapy in 20 years trying to unpack the trauma from her and her mother’s co-dependence…

Laura95167 · 16/03/2025 20:12

Why doesn't she take Milly places to see Millys friends?

I bet Milly would like that better too

Currygirl · 16/03/2025 20:20

Unless it's a trip to the swing park, I think this friend relationship has run it's course

Trishthedish · 16/03/2025 20:30

Tigergirl80 · 15/03/2025 23:59

What happened to telling kids gone to see a man about a dog as we used to be told? Basically non of your business.

I waited years for my dad to bring that dog home 😂😂😂

Jumpingthruhoops · 16/03/2025 20:49

Sounds to me like there's more to this...

What was Emily's own childhood like OP?
Could it be that she didn't do much with her own mum growing up and she's trying to almost overcompensate by making sure she's always doing stuff with Milly.
I doubt Emily is really considering that it's a spa day... or a meal out... she does sees it as doing 'things' with her daughter.

None of the above makes it right, of course, but will at least provide some context as to why she keeps doing it.

The only practical solution I can think of, if you do want a girls night without Emily bringing Milly, is to go and see a 15-rated film at the cinema. She won't be allowed to bring a 7 year old along to that, so you might finally get the adults-only night out you've craved all these years.

TheEveningSun · 16/03/2025 20:51

I’m surprised at the amount of people saying they’ve never been to a spa that takes kids. Lots of them do! The posh ones do. We take our kids sometimes with us. They just have restrictions on timings when the kids can use the pools.

aside from that, super irritating when you’re thinking you’re having a child free meet up but people bring their kids So you have to spend the afternoon chatting about Millie’s preference of ice cream flavours 🙄

gotmyknickersinatwist · 16/03/2025 20:59

Classic permissive parenting.
No boundaries for the child, who will grow up with an inflated sense of her own importance, and who may struggle to find her place socially, because not everyone around her will automatically want to include her, or hear what she has to say.
Her mother is doing her no favours.

Viviennemary · 16/03/2025 20:59

She is a complete twit. Don't bother with her until she learns to be sensible.

August1980 · 16/03/2025 21:06

gosh so glad I don’t have friendship groups like this. Pretty simple do not invite Emily out. I would be so annoyed if someone had cornered me. You can’t control Emily and Milly or Emily’s husband but you can control your actions so unfriend her…no need for all this drama

nildesparandum · 16/03/2025 21:09

Milly is a spoilt child

latetothefisting · 16/03/2025 21:18

itstooorangeyforcrows · 16/03/2025 18:22

I get what you're saying. I just wonder if a period of them not blocking her but not picking up the phone to her either would bring her to her senses.

That said, I agree she's had a lot of chances already, and this is just batshit so maybe she's one of these people who will just never get it and will continue to play the victim for ever.

tbh given most friend groups organise things via a whatsapp or similar group chat rather than messaging each other individually I wonder if posters are using 'block her' as a shorthand for a more drastic option like 'remove her completely from the group chat so she wouldn't know when they are meeting up,' (or start another one without her) rather than 'just make plans as usual but not specifically invite Emily.' Otherwise she would probably continue to assume she was invited as normal, and would turn up (with Milly in tow) anyway.

OldScribbler · 16/03/2025 21:22

"Nowt so queer as folk".

justanotherimperfectmum2025 · 16/03/2025 21:26

Another thing the mother has to consider is what if the friendship group wants to do something only adults can do, like wine tasting for example? (Is that still a thing?!).

What she going to do then?

She’s going to alienate herself even more then 🤷‍♀️

littlemisspigg · 16/03/2025 21:26

Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 21:25

My friend Emily has a 7 year old daughter Milly who she brings every time we meet up either when it’s just the two of us or with a group of our other friends.

Emily insists Milly wants to come but it’s frustrating as we can never have a conversation without her giving her opinion or Milly takes over and Emily sits smiling proudly, she often comments on her daughter’s maturity and how she loves joining us.

We do occasionally get time when Milly is at school but any weekend meet ups are the same, Milly could stay with her dad at home but apparently gets very upset when she’s not invited so Emily gives in and lets her come. We have had a few occasions where we have met up in restaurants for a meal in the evenings and Milly has often made an appearance, the whole evening ends up revolving round her.

My other friends said they were fed up with this as well, we stopped inviting Emily as often but she noticed and was hurt.
I managed to get her to meet me one to one and asked if she was being persuaded by her husband to bring Milly and said I was concerned that she never seemed to get time to herself, she insisted that wasn’t the case and said she thought we loved seeing Milly.
I explained that no one else brought their kids along and wanted adult time and as much as we liked Milly it’s frustrating to get childcare for other kids for a childfree evening then Milly being allowed to come.
Its not fair on the other kids and changes the dynamic and means Emily has to leave early. We are sick of censoring the conversation and being unable to talk freely.
Emily agreed to stop bringing Milly along unless other kids were going to be present.

A few weeks ago we booked a spa day for today for 3 of us and Emily.
The package included a 25 minute massage treatment each and use of the facilities for 3 hours and afternoon tea with Prosecco.
I didn’t think not to ask Emily not to bring Milly as surely it’s common sense?!

Well the spa was booked for 10am and Emily brought Milly. We asked her how she possibly thought this would work and she said Milly wanted to use the pool and we could watch her when Emily had her massage.
Emily was told by staff she couldn’t being Milly into the spa and got very upset and complained that she’d paid for the day, her husband refused to pick her up saying he’d agreed to work overtime now, Milly started crying hysterically.

I had no sympathy and told Emily one of the reasons we booked a spa day was in the hope of actually spending time with her alone and we never considered she’d bring Milly. My other friends were equally as unsympathetic and said she had brought this on herself and it was her own fault Milly was upset and if lost the money.

Emily had to leave with Milly and looked absolutely devastated, she didn’t apologise though she just kept saying how ridiculous it was that the spa wouldn’t let Milly in or make any exceptions.

After she left we all agreed it was time to stop inviting Emily anywhere as she obviously wasn’t going to stop bringing Milly, we were throughly pissed off about the whole thing.

One friend has just sent me a message saying Emily has been crying down the phone for hours on her and thinks we were maybe a bit harsh and that Emily said she finds it hard to leave Milly because she gets so upset when she can’t come along. She thinks we should apologise for getting so frustrated with her today.

I think the whole situation is fucking bizarre and if Emily was a struggling single parent I could maybe understand it, I have had enough though and I’m not apologising, I have tried to chat about it but she’s not willing to listen.

AIBU for not being more understanding? It’s not just me, my other friends feel the same, even the friend who thinks we should apologise said she thinks it’s best we no longer invite Emily.
I don’t think Emily is ever going to take in what we are saying and she will keep bringing Milly because she can’t say no to her.

Does Emily feel that Milly is not safe with Dad for some reason?

AliceMcK · 16/03/2025 21:28

Trishthedish · 16/03/2025 20:30

I waited years for my dad to bring that dog home 😂😂😂

I think I have an old fridge magnet with this on somewhere 😂

Another of my DFs favourites when asked where are you going was “ there and back to see how far it was” or if we asked where mum was “ ran off with the milkman” 😂

pollymere · 16/03/2025 21:39

Even Mum and Daughter Spa Days tend to be for older children. What was she thinking?

ThisFluentBiscuit · 16/03/2025 21:41

Wishingplenty · 16/03/2025 18:12

In the continent this would be a non event. Funny how British culture divvys everyone up into sections and boxes.

I don't understand what you mean. Do you mean that Continentals let their children sit among adult conversation about sex and serious illness and marital problems etc.? Or that on the Continent, children are welcome in spas? That would be bad parenting no matter where in the world you are.

MinionKevin · 16/03/2025 21:44

I have a neighbour who I used to go out with sometimes for a walk. She then started bringing her DD with her (and then her DH - my DD/DH at home).
Her DD is incredibly nosy, wants to be in every single conversation etc her mum just tuned her out though. I don’t go out with her now, had to constantly bite my tongue, it’s very boring having a child there especially when you’ve left your own at home.

ethelredonagoodday · 16/03/2025 21:47

Utterly ridiculous. You’ve done the right thing OP. Some people are bonkers. 😵‍💫

ThisFluentBiscuit · 16/03/2025 21:55

Cojones · 16/03/2025 19:35

Oh OP I feel for you. Emily won’t stop bringing Milly. I have a friend who does this, has been doing it for years. Has alienated her husband with her helicopter parenting (there was a traumatic incident that kicked this up a notch) and we overlooked the inclusion for a while. Now the child is an adult, the mum is still over involved in the child’s life. It’s got so that when we meet, the child meets its own friends then comes to the location we are at and once arrived the rest of us might as well be invisible. 🫥
So hope the child breaks free and lives her own life but the mother is so invested I can’t imagine it will happen.

Its?!

Anyway, your story is making me think of that SEX AND THE CITY episode where Charlotte and Trey go to choose a bed for their married life...and his mother comes along, and all three of them are lying on the bed in the furniture store! 🤭 That'll be Milly and her mum and Milly's fiance one day! 😂😂😂

ThisFluentBiscuit · 16/03/2025 21:59

littlemisspigg · 16/03/2025 21:26

Does Emily feel that Milly is not safe with Dad for some reason?

Omg, did you have to quote the entire seventeen-paragraph post?? Especially since your answer was one sentence?? We all know what the OP has said!🤦‍♀️

ThisFluentBiscuit · 16/03/2025 22:06

TheEveningSun · 16/03/2025 20:51

I’m surprised at the amount of people saying they’ve never been to a spa that takes kids. Lots of them do! The posh ones do. We take our kids sometimes with us. They just have restrictions on timings when the kids can use the pools.

aside from that, super irritating when you’re thinking you’re having a child free meet up but people bring their kids So you have to spend the afternoon chatting about Millie’s preference of ice cream flavours 🙄

I was sceptical about your claim, but I just looked up Claridge's spa, and you're right - they even accept children in nappies!!! Horror! Thanks for the tip - I'm going to studiously check in future, as I have ZERO interest in going to a spa where children are allowed! I'd literally rather stay at home.

Bitofanchange · 16/03/2025 22:10

littlemisspigg · 16/03/2025 21:26

Does Emily feel that Milly is not safe with Dad for some reason?

No that’s stated in the first post that you’ve literally quoted!!