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For telling my friend she was ridiculous to bring a 7 year old for a spa day!

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Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 21:25

My friend Emily has a 7 year old daughter Milly who she brings every time we meet up either when it’s just the two of us or with a group of our other friends.

Emily insists Milly wants to come but it’s frustrating as we can never have a conversation without her giving her opinion or Milly takes over and Emily sits smiling proudly, she often comments on her daughter’s maturity and how she loves joining us.

We do occasionally get time when Milly is at school but any weekend meet ups are the same, Milly could stay with her dad at home but apparently gets very upset when she’s not invited so Emily gives in and lets her come. We have had a few occasions where we have met up in restaurants for a meal in the evenings and Milly has often made an appearance, the whole evening ends up revolving round her.

My other friends said they were fed up with this as well, we stopped inviting Emily as often but she noticed and was hurt.
I managed to get her to meet me one to one and asked if she was being persuaded by her husband to bring Milly and said I was concerned that she never seemed to get time to herself, she insisted that wasn’t the case and said she thought we loved seeing Milly.
I explained that no one else brought their kids along and wanted adult time and as much as we liked Milly it’s frustrating to get childcare for other kids for a childfree evening then Milly being allowed to come.
Its not fair on the other kids and changes the dynamic and means Emily has to leave early. We are sick of censoring the conversation and being unable to talk freely.
Emily agreed to stop bringing Milly along unless other kids were going to be present.

A few weeks ago we booked a spa day for today for 3 of us and Emily.
The package included a 25 minute massage treatment each and use of the facilities for 3 hours and afternoon tea with Prosecco.
I didn’t think not to ask Emily not to bring Milly as surely it’s common sense?!

Well the spa was booked for 10am and Emily brought Milly. We asked her how she possibly thought this would work and she said Milly wanted to use the pool and we could watch her when Emily had her massage.
Emily was told by staff she couldn’t being Milly into the spa and got very upset and complained that she’d paid for the day, her husband refused to pick her up saying he’d agreed to work overtime now, Milly started crying hysterically.

I had no sympathy and told Emily one of the reasons we booked a spa day was in the hope of actually spending time with her alone and we never considered she’d bring Milly. My other friends were equally as unsympathetic and said she had brought this on herself and it was her own fault Milly was upset and if lost the money.

Emily had to leave with Milly and looked absolutely devastated, she didn’t apologise though she just kept saying how ridiculous it was that the spa wouldn’t let Milly in or make any exceptions.

After she left we all agreed it was time to stop inviting Emily anywhere as she obviously wasn’t going to stop bringing Milly, we were throughly pissed off about the whole thing.

One friend has just sent me a message saying Emily has been crying down the phone for hours on her and thinks we were maybe a bit harsh and that Emily said she finds it hard to leave Milly because she gets so upset when she can’t come along. She thinks we should apologise for getting so frustrated with her today.

I think the whole situation is fucking bizarre and if Emily was a struggling single parent I could maybe understand it, I have had enough though and I’m not apologising, I have tried to chat about it but she’s not willing to listen.

AIBU for not being more understanding? It’s not just me, my other friends feel the same, even the friend who thinks we should apologise said she thinks it’s best we no longer invite Emily.
I don’t think Emily is ever going to take in what we are saying and she will keep bringing Milly because she can’t say no to her.

OP posts:
JANEY205 · 16/03/2025 17:58

If I’m not with my own kids I dont want to spend time with other peoples. I no longer spend time with a friend who constantly brought her child everywhere despite having lots of childcare options. I had none. I paid for a babysitter.

Doingmybestbut · 16/03/2025 17:58

The fact that Emily has a group of friends makes this weirder to me because she is treating her daughter like a friend rather than a daughter, but she clearly doesn’t need to.

theansweris42 · 16/03/2025 18:00

Some kids find it very hard to be separated from Mum until older than "usual", maybe ND (maybe not known to them) or other reasons like Dad being incompetent/horrible...
But in that case you just have to explain to friends which things you can come to (maybe not every occasion, maybe not a full day) and not bring the kid to adult events. Sheesh

marcopront · 16/03/2025 18:04

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 16/03/2025 15:02

You can't possibly know any of that from what little OP has revealed. You seem to be creating your own narrative from barely any information.

We are all creating a narrative from the information given, mine is just different to yours. However I am also saying I don't know if this is happening just that it could be. Isn't that better than the people assuming that Emily is just a bad parent.

However I am still waiting for someone to tell me

  1. Why it is so clear he is not abusive?
  2. If he was abusive what would be happening? How would it be different.
theallotmentqueen · 16/03/2025 18:05

It would be harsh if this was your response to her doing this for the first time. However, she does this after you sit down and have an EXPLICIT DISCUSSION with her about this behaviour. At this point, this isn't a misunderstanding - in my opinion, she knew what she was doing, and was just banking on you guys not wanting to make a scene.

ERthree · 16/03/2025 18:08

How dare she assume you will look after her child whilst she has a treatment, does she not think you want to relax ? Let her throw a strop. She needs to bloody grow up.

Wishingplenty · 16/03/2025 18:12

In the continent this would be a non event. Funny how British culture divvys everyone up into sections and boxes.

Lovehascomeandgone · 16/03/2025 18:15

Emily is fucking crazy, she has a problem and would be better spending money on therapy

gamerchick · 16/03/2025 18:17

I've had a few friends like this. Always, always brought their kid/s

Going to a bingo hall was the only way to cure it unfortunately. No kids allowed in there.

LuckySantangelo35 · 16/03/2025 18:18

A unanimous YANBU! Wow

itstooorangeyforcrows · 16/03/2025 18:22

latetothefisting · 16/03/2025 13:58

I don't think they need to block her either, (unless she starts ringing all of them and crying/guilt tripping them as she's already done to one friend) but OP has explained they've already TRIED all the other options and they didn't work

They tried just not inviting Emily to things but she "noticed and was hurt"

They've tried saying to Emily that they will no longer censure their conversations and keep them child- appropriate - didn't work

OP tried having the sensitive one-on-one explaining their concerns, Emily said she understood then brought Milly again anyway!

They've now tried saying directly to Emily that she was being ridiculous and had only herself to blame and Emily is still blaming everyone else (friends, spa staff) for being unfair, and ringing up the softest touch to guilt trip them and request an apology

It's not like they went straight from 0-100 or "thermonuclear" but at this point it's the last option!

I get what you're saying. I just wonder if a period of them not blocking her but not picking up the phone to her either would bring her to her senses.

That said, I agree she's had a lot of chances already, and this is just batshit so maybe she's one of these people who will just never get it and will continue to play the victim for ever.

JSMill · 16/03/2025 18:23

That sounds like a very unhealthy mother daughter relationship. It sounds like she’s treating Emily like a friend and isn’t able to set boundaries. I am amazed you put up with it for so long.

LilacPeer · 16/03/2025 18:24

Honeysucklelane · 16/03/2025 17:23

Husbands do not need to come on girls nights out! I wouldn’t like that, but there maybe a reason for it,

Maybe he’s controlling though and insists on coming? Or depressed and she doesn’t want to leave him home alone? Or he’s got no mates and is desperate for company.

He’s definitely controlling. But she thinks the sun shines out of his backside and thinks therefore that we all must think the same. There’s definitely time for plus ones, but not to every single last thing we do 😭

Zoec1975 · 16/03/2025 18:26

Millie will turn out to be very brattish if her silly mother allows her to do what she wants all the time.it would annoy me too,you are not wrong at all.

Ilovecleaning · 16/03/2025 18:31

I’d have no patience with a grown woman who thinks it’s ok to bring a 7 year old to grown up social meet ups. Leave her out of future get togethers or refuse to attend yourself. She’s an absolute idiot.

Emanresu52 · 16/03/2025 18:32

I really hope "Emily" has read this thread! What a really strange dynamic to have with a child so young.

Grammarnut · 16/03/2025 18:32

Wishingplenty · 16/03/2025 18:12

In the continent this would be a non event. Funny how British culture divvys everyone up into sections and boxes.

Which suggests one reason we left the EU. Completely different mindset re children.

GhostHunterPlay · 16/03/2025 18:34

The idea of these meetings and the spa day was for all of you to meet up as a group of adults and enjoy a day together, without having to consider children. Emily should have thought about this before bringing her Child on an adults only day!
The person who told Emily that Molly couldn't use the pool wasn't being "ridiculous". She was concerned about Mills safety. The spa rules problbly didn't allow children to attend.
Also, how dare she suggest that you could mind Milly whilst she was having her spa treatment? You're not unpaid babysitters!
You were right to tell Emily that, unless she was prepared to leave Milly at home (no matter how upset she becomes), then she cannot be a part of the group any more.

Newoxonbird · 16/03/2025 18:37

I cannot believe how patient you've been thus far.
This friend of yours has issues and has projected those separation issues onto her daughter. It is simply outrageous to bring along your kid to a girls day out or even a meet up for lunch.
The kid is needy, clingy and sounds unstable. Could there be anything going on at home that makes her desperate to come out with her mother all the time ?
If not then your friend needs to be told in no uncertain terms if she wants to remain part of the friendship group she's going to have to spell it out to her daughter that she's not coming.
If she won't do it then stop inviting her.

Lamaitresse · 16/03/2025 18:38

Milly isn’t always going to get her own way in life. Emily needs to step up and start parenting - her job is to prepare her for the future, not to pander to her every whim now.
This actually makes me cross, as Milly is being set up for a very hard adulthood…

MrsSunshine2b · 16/03/2025 18:40

You've got two options, one is to just stop inviting Emily anywhere, and the other is to start firmly stating when inviting Emily that Milly is NOT invited and this is an adults only meet up. Emily then has the choice to come or not but if she shows up with Milly you have the right to tell her she needs to leave.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 16/03/2025 18:44

marcopront · 16/03/2025 18:04

We are all creating a narrative from the information given, mine is just different to yours. However I am also saying I don't know if this is happening just that it could be. Isn't that better than the people assuming that Emily is just a bad parent.

However I am still waiting for someone to tell me

  1. Why it is so clear he is not abusive?
  2. If he was abusive what would be happening? How would it be different.

Ok, but if we assume that Milly's father is abusive and refuses to look after his own DD to allow his wife to go out - what is stopping Emily from finding someone else for Milly to stay with? Other family members? Friends her own age? Paying for a babysitter even?

SmoothEncounter · 16/03/2025 18:45

Justanothercatlady · 15/03/2025 23:10

So Emily had a crying tantrum to another friend and refuses to accept no - no you can’t bring Milly? Wonder where Milly learnt being a spoilt brat from?

So very true - she sounds insufferable.

Ditch.

Adge1616 · 16/03/2025 18:46

When I was a single mum, I quite often had to take my very young daughter with me to social events I had to attend, like annual staff night-outs. BUT I'd always check with people first, explain why and ensure I catered for her and she was a quiet non-noticable particpant...

MrsSunshine2b · 16/03/2025 18:46

Senuousnotsensuous · 16/03/2025 03:14

This is exactly how it is with Milly, the whispering is the worst, it’s completely distracting during conversations and Emily is smiling and nodding along. Either that or Milly doesn’t understand what we are talking about and wants a more detailed explanation.

We have also suffered the crap jokes or explanations about something she’s seen on YouTube, being told off for swearing and on a couple of occasions been told to “watch this, watch this!” And it’s usually some sort of dance or gymnastic move.

It is hard not to just say shhh we are talking, I don’t want private conversations repeating and Milly takes a surprising amount of interest. She’s repeated things other friends have said that I’m sure they didn’t want anyone except Emily to know.

It’s not going to happen again, yesterday was the last time and that’s been agreed by the rest of the group. Emily can’t be trusted not to bring Milly again so she only gets invited to things where other children are present. The only issue with that is that Milly still wants to sit with her mum instead of playing with the other kids, last time she insisted it was because they are all too babyish, I think she believes she’s part of our group.

I did not RTFT before posting my last message so I will add that it sounds like Emily is very enmeshed with Milly and this type of emotional incest is very unhealthy for children. She needs to draw the lines of separation because Milly should not be put in the position of having to be Emily's best friend and confidante.

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