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For telling my friend she was ridiculous to bring a 7 year old for a spa day!

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Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 21:25

My friend Emily has a 7 year old daughter Milly who she brings every time we meet up either when it’s just the two of us or with a group of our other friends.

Emily insists Milly wants to come but it’s frustrating as we can never have a conversation without her giving her opinion or Milly takes over and Emily sits smiling proudly, she often comments on her daughter’s maturity and how she loves joining us.

We do occasionally get time when Milly is at school but any weekend meet ups are the same, Milly could stay with her dad at home but apparently gets very upset when she’s not invited so Emily gives in and lets her come. We have had a few occasions where we have met up in restaurants for a meal in the evenings and Milly has often made an appearance, the whole evening ends up revolving round her.

My other friends said they were fed up with this as well, we stopped inviting Emily as often but she noticed and was hurt.
I managed to get her to meet me one to one and asked if she was being persuaded by her husband to bring Milly and said I was concerned that she never seemed to get time to herself, she insisted that wasn’t the case and said she thought we loved seeing Milly.
I explained that no one else brought their kids along and wanted adult time and as much as we liked Milly it’s frustrating to get childcare for other kids for a childfree evening then Milly being allowed to come.
Its not fair on the other kids and changes the dynamic and means Emily has to leave early. We are sick of censoring the conversation and being unable to talk freely.
Emily agreed to stop bringing Milly along unless other kids were going to be present.

A few weeks ago we booked a spa day for today for 3 of us and Emily.
The package included a 25 minute massage treatment each and use of the facilities for 3 hours and afternoon tea with Prosecco.
I didn’t think not to ask Emily not to bring Milly as surely it’s common sense?!

Well the spa was booked for 10am and Emily brought Milly. We asked her how she possibly thought this would work and she said Milly wanted to use the pool and we could watch her when Emily had her massage.
Emily was told by staff she couldn’t being Milly into the spa and got very upset and complained that she’d paid for the day, her husband refused to pick her up saying he’d agreed to work overtime now, Milly started crying hysterically.

I had no sympathy and told Emily one of the reasons we booked a spa day was in the hope of actually spending time with her alone and we never considered she’d bring Milly. My other friends were equally as unsympathetic and said she had brought this on herself and it was her own fault Milly was upset and if lost the money.

Emily had to leave with Milly and looked absolutely devastated, she didn’t apologise though she just kept saying how ridiculous it was that the spa wouldn’t let Milly in or make any exceptions.

After she left we all agreed it was time to stop inviting Emily anywhere as she obviously wasn’t going to stop bringing Milly, we were throughly pissed off about the whole thing.

One friend has just sent me a message saying Emily has been crying down the phone for hours on her and thinks we were maybe a bit harsh and that Emily said she finds it hard to leave Milly because she gets so upset when she can’t come along. She thinks we should apologise for getting so frustrated with her today.

I think the whole situation is fucking bizarre and if Emily was a struggling single parent I could maybe understand it, I have had enough though and I’m not apologising, I have tried to chat about it but she’s not willing to listen.

AIBU for not being more understanding? It’s not just me, my other friends feel the same, even the friend who thinks we should apologise said she thinks it’s best we no longer invite Emily.
I don’t think Emily is ever going to take in what we are saying and she will keep bringing Milly because she can’t say no to her.

OP posts:
SprinkleOfSunak · 16/03/2025 15:01

I have a friend who wants to bring her children to everything despite her having a very hands on husband who could and would look after them. Our children are friends too, but I don’t want all of the children in tow constantly as it spoils the dynamic completely. I’m not a martyr and I have times when I want and need to be just ‘SprinkleofSunak,’ and not a Mum and not a wife. I’ve told her she needs to do the same but she always says she has ‘Mum guilt.’

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 16/03/2025 15:02

marcopront · 16/03/2025 11:12

A question for those of you saying, it can't possibly be the husband at fault.

If the husband was refusing to do child care, how would this playout differently?

Yes he has said "you should go out without Milly" but we all know abusers can lie and will behave differently in public to in private.
Yes she has said there is isn't a problem but we all know victims of abuse do not always admit it.
If it should be obvious to Emily that you can't have a 7 year old at a spa why shouldn't it be obvious to him as well. Or is that knowledge only available to women.

I am not saying he is to blame but the way see it, he isn't helping the situation.
I don't know why it is so clear he isn't part of the problem.

Edited

You can't possibly know any of that from what little OP has revealed. You seem to be creating your own narrative from barely any information.

Resilience · 16/03/2025 15:06

How much do you value the friendship?

You might want to handle it slightly differently If you have any suspicions at all that your friend’s DH is controlling (and don’t be fooled by him encouraging her to go - abusive men often do that when others are around and then cause hell after the event). Or if you think your friend has MH issues that she needs help with. None of these are your response to fix or even tolerate but you may want to make
your feelings clear that daughter is not invited and you have said this repeatedly. Therefore you’re not apologising and there will be no more invitations unless that’s honoured. However, you care for her and are worried so if there’s anything else going on that she’s not ready to talk about just yet, your door is open when she is.

Springhassprungthesunisout · 16/03/2025 15:18

Sounds like maybe the dad doesnt want to be stuck looking after clingy Milly? OR

I had a friend like this and the mother-daughter attachment actually drove a wedge between the mum and her husband and they eventually divorced. They went everywhere together, always dressed in the same colours - the mum walked her through the gates to the classroom each day even at yr7 and even tried to join DD in the car for driving lessons until the instructor put his foot down! There was no ND with the DD, just a very very anxious and clingy mum.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 16/03/2025 15:20

Lunde · 16/03/2025 14:59

No he is not. If Emily insisted that his services were not required because Milly was going with her then why shouldn't he do overtime instead of sitting home alone?"

Or do you expect him to plan his life around Emily's bad planning?

This.

TheGoogleMum · 16/03/2025 15:22

I am surprised she didn't realise a 7 at old would not be allowed in the spa! She is definitely unreasonable. I wouldn't apologise.

Waymarked7 · 16/03/2025 15:53

Of course you can't take a 7 year old to a spa day, your friend is stupid. Why would anyone else there want a child jumping in, shouting etc. You go to the spa to escape your kids!

Also, your friend is creating a completely spoilt child if she cannot leave her behind for a day. Just because she cries, does not mean you do what she wants!

What a nightmare!

5128gap · 16/03/2025 16:02

I wouldn't have called her ridiculous. I wouldn't show anger or tell her off as then the whole thing just becomes about you being 'mean and unsympathetic'. I wouldnt get into a discussion about why she brings Milly and argue with her. Id just stick to my guns about the meet ups being child free, because thats what everyone else wants, so thats that. Next time I'd be arranging to meet up in an adult only venue again, and if she brings Milly, she'll have to go home again. She'll learn eventually. If she suggests a child friendly place say "no, we want adults only".

Bitofanchange · 16/03/2025 16:03

5128gap · 16/03/2025 16:02

I wouldn't have called her ridiculous. I wouldn't show anger or tell her off as then the whole thing just becomes about you being 'mean and unsympathetic'. I wouldnt get into a discussion about why she brings Milly and argue with her. Id just stick to my guns about the meet ups being child free, because thats what everyone else wants, so thats that. Next time I'd be arranging to meet up in an adult only venue again, and if she brings Milly, she'll have to go home again. She'll learn eventually. If she suggests a child friendly place say "no, we want adults only".

An adult only place like …… a spa?

5128gap · 16/03/2025 16:07

Bitofanchange · 16/03/2025 16:03

An adult only place like …… a spa?

Yup. Exactly like a spa. Which is why I twice used the word 'again' and said if it keeps happening that she has to leave, she'll learn.

Andylion · 16/03/2025 16:07

. Emily can’t be trusted not to bring Milly again so she only gets invited to things where other children are present. The only issue with that is that Milly still wants to sit with her mum instead of playing with the other kids, last time she insisted it was because they are all too babyish, I think she believes she’s part of our group

@Senuousnotsensuous you need a plan in place to deal with Millie if they come to a gathering with other kids. If she says the other kids are too babyish, what will you do?

Bitofanchange · 16/03/2025 16:18

5128gap · 16/03/2025 16:07

Yup. Exactly like a spa. Which is why I twice used the word 'again' and said if it keeps happening that she has to leave, she'll learn.

But you wouldn’t speak to her about it? She’s an adult, she needs telling “don’t bring your child” they’re not invited adult only place or not, you can’t be too blunt with the “Emily’s” of this world.

No way, would I book an “adult” only place for it to happen again and get the crying and carrying on, because she had to leave, ruining everyone’s day out.

WhereYouLeftIt · 16/03/2025 16:19

"It’s not going to happen again, yesterday was the last time and that’s been agreed by the rest of the group. Emily can’t be trusted not to bring Milly again so she only gets invited to things where other children are present. The only issue with that is that Milly still wants to sit with her mum instead of playing with the other kids, last time she insisted it was because they are all too babyish, I think she believes she’s part of our group."
I wouldn't invite her to things where other children are present either, because you still have the problem of Milly gatecrashing adult conversations and being an all round 'proper little madam'. Whilst Emily nods and smiles at her precious dinkums. I don't think my blood pressure could take that.

burningbatches · 16/03/2025 16:21

Emily doesn't know how to parent.

Its ok to say No to your children. It is hard if they get upset, but parenting means setting reasonable boundaries.

(either that or Emily is lying and she just can't bear being separated from Milly)

IDoWhateverItTakes · 16/03/2025 16:41

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 16/03/2025 10:12

@Kitchensinktoday I'm not sure if this is the thread that @TheaBrandt1 meant but it's one that has always stuck in my head!

Initially I did wonder if it was about the OPs friend again but the toddler involved would be a pre teen now (and hopefully not being taken everywhere).

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amibeingunreasonable/2998359-AIBU-You-dont-bring-a-toddler-to-a-hen-do

Edited

OMG, I just read all the OP's posts on those threads. Just wow, amazing entitlement there as well!

TheaBrandt1 · 16/03/2025 16:47

Really cant relate to the “mum guilt” can’t be separated from the child thing. Do men get this? I think not.

Mummyoflittledragon · 16/03/2025 16:48

I feel really sorry for Milly. She’s being treated terribly by her mum. My dd is an only child and I was so careful when she was little to ensure she had a very well-rounded experience with other kids, socialised her as much as possible and allowed her to form very close bonds and friendships. She had a quasi sibling relationship for several years with my friend’s ds. It is so important to be cared for and appreciated by your peers.

LilacPeer · 16/03/2025 16:51

It’s definitely weird to bring your 7 year old to a girls spa day. Even ignoring the fact that you’ve been told directly by friends not to keep bringing your kid.

I have a friend who brings her husband to literally everything we do and that’s annoying as hell. We’re all school friends so our stories and points of reference don’t include him. We can’t talk freely as you said and end up spending most of the evening making polite small talk with him.

RedHelenB · 16/03/2025 17:06

Could you do meet ups with dc as well as without?

NaomhPadraigin · 16/03/2025 17:14

@Senuousnotsensuous YA so NBU!
Emily is being ridiculous, and I don't believe any of the crappie excuses people are trying to come up with.

Oh and I love your UN @Senuousnotsensuous 😆😆

Bitofanchange · 16/03/2025 17:15

RedHelenB · 16/03/2025 17:06

Could you do meet ups with dc as well as without?

That’s been covered, Milly likes to sit with the adults, because the other children are too babyish. Emily is really raising an entitled madam, poor Milly.

Honeysucklelane · 16/03/2025 17:23

LilacPeer · 16/03/2025 16:51

It’s definitely weird to bring your 7 year old to a girls spa day. Even ignoring the fact that you’ve been told directly by friends not to keep bringing your kid.

I have a friend who brings her husband to literally everything we do and that’s annoying as hell. We’re all school friends so our stories and points of reference don’t include him. We can’t talk freely as you said and end up spending most of the evening making polite small talk with him.

Husbands do not need to come on girls nights out! I wouldn’t like that, but there maybe a reason for it,

Maybe he’s controlling though and insists on coming? Or depressed and she doesn’t want to leave him home alone? Or he’s got no mates and is desperate for company.

FiveWhatByFiveWhat · 16/03/2025 17:45

Senuousnotsensuous · 16/03/2025 03:14

This is exactly how it is with Milly, the whispering is the worst, it’s completely distracting during conversations and Emily is smiling and nodding along. Either that or Milly doesn’t understand what we are talking about and wants a more detailed explanation.

We have also suffered the crap jokes or explanations about something she’s seen on YouTube, being told off for swearing and on a couple of occasions been told to “watch this, watch this!” And it’s usually some sort of dance or gymnastic move.

It is hard not to just say shhh we are talking, I don’t want private conversations repeating and Milly takes a surprising amount of interest. She’s repeated things other friends have said that I’m sure they didn’t want anyone except Emily to know.

It’s not going to happen again, yesterday was the last time and that’s been agreed by the rest of the group. Emily can’t be trusted not to bring Milly again so she only gets invited to things where other children are present. The only issue with that is that Milly still wants to sit with her mum instead of playing with the other kids, last time she insisted it was because they are all too babyish, I think she believes she’s part of our group.

God that last bit makes me a bit sad for the girl tbh... If she's never been told/taught how to not interrupt, or encouraged to go play while adults talk, she's not just going to naturally do it.

I find it really weird her mum wants her sat at the grown up table hearing things she's too young to understand rather than off playing and having fun with kids her own age. That's some next level co dependency there 😬

Sillyname63 · 16/03/2025 17:54

Milly sounds like a pretentious little madam unfortunately her mum is allowing her to be this. I bet she sleeps with her mum and dad is regulated to the spare room.

allmymonkeys · 16/03/2025 17:57

My main concern is that Milly doesn't seem to be spending time with friends of her own age. Is this an issue that Emily has ever mentioned?