A man undressing in front of a woman without her consent is an act of intimidation and control. Men do not acquire consent by identifying as women

[SernieBanders]

How and why has it become anything but voyeurism and control?

What on earth can be done to reverse the madness?

Trans staff should always be given dignified, adequate, separate changing spaces. Females should never feel cowed, silenced, intimidated into putting up with a man looking at them half naked.

Background.
https://www.scotsman.com/news/scottish-news/why-scots-nurse-sandie-peggie-has-taken-nhs-fife-to-tribunal-over-dr-beth-upton-transgender-dispute-4974664

(Phrase inspired by a tweet from x.com/SonyaDouglas )

So what?

Even women who have opinions you don't approve of should have the right not to be abused at work.

They have to be TRAs or MRA, the goal is to smear the victim.

What has struck me is that men got fed up with 'I believe her' and trans activism was the ideal response to women being able to call out inappropriate male sexual conduct.

You have a visable agenda with your quotes so I like to read the source material to independently check the reporters bias

And there we have the problem. Anyone presenting any alternative view has "an agenda". Just to clear up your misconceptions;

• I believe single sex spaces should be available to those who want them.
• I believe those who are in a minority, shouldn't be harassed or vilified for being who they want to be.
• I believe the high profile cases which serve only to divide, muddy the waters and make it even harder for both sides to get what they want.
• I believe most people who are part of the debate are genuinely trying to find a solution.
• I believe there are extremist elements on either side of the debate who are using the genuine people who are on "their side" to bolster their extremism.
• I believe that nitpicking on terminology (which even the US administration has struggled to determine this week) isn't getting anyone anywhere.
• I have no opinion on whether someone chooses to call themselves something or other, as long as they aren't breaking the law.

But it’s not just about those we deem as ‘predatory’ because that in of itself creates a loophole.

Just no men. No male bodies. At all. Even the ‘nice’ ones. We don’t want them in our spaces. Thanks.

I'd like to add "No to non-predatory men" as well. Let's not have any suggestion of, "This one's nice, we'll let him in." Predatory, lovely, rapist, thug, gentle... it doesn't matter what their character is, nor what their reason is, men shouldn't be in women's spaces.

The hospital have very effectively made clear to every female staff member that if they complain about having a man in the changing room with them they will be suspended and their job is at risk. They then have the gall to say "no one else complained" as justification for why they allow male staff members to watch female staff members getting undressed.

I don't agree with her entirely but JK has a point. Womenkind is being highjacked by certain men calling themselves TW.

Quite. The left only went along with women's rights and dignity when it suited them. What a glorious opportunity this whole trans debacle has been for them to stick it to women.

Im really interested in what she’s said that you don’t agree with ?

I think she’s 100% right.

There’s no such thing as misgendering so I’m glad that was thrown out.
Referring to a male person using male words isn’t mis-anything.

And there we have the problem. Anyone presenting any alternative view has "an agenda".

Anyone who reads a case about a male making a female uncomfortable in a space that should just be for females, not males with a special inner identity, and automatically feels the need to present an 'alternative view' IS the problem.

More photos of the very male doctor here.
How could any woman possibly feel uncomfortable sharing a changing room with him!
x.com/WitchyMcWitch/status/1886825815444173243?t=LRvGo7vjGmUtAmsrv6amyw&s=19

You stated it so you should be able to define what it is, no?

I was responding to @RockStarMartini's comment about people choosing a different gender. Perhaps ask them what they meant?

I have no idea how different people go about changing their gender, I expect different people do it in different ways. If I were going to do it, I might try changing my appearance first to see have it goes, or, if I was really sure, I might go to see a specialist. Maybe I'd try therapy first. Who knows.

Why is this line of enquiry important to the OP?

Unless you are suggesting people go through a gender change just to go into female changing rooms? Which seems very unlikely.

Bless your heart.

Completely agree.

This one is clearly a predator though, which is the only reason for me calling that out.

100% this

BBC are as bias as they come.

Of course they are. 🙄 It's not at all like you can look at the public record of the trial and verify what they are saying.

But the photo linked to on Reddux which people are salivating over is an entirely an unbiased source.

Can anyone please enlighten me as to what a 'gender change' involves?

Thanks in advance

No to men in women's spaces full stop. Decent men don't abuse or cross women's boundaries, which tells you all you need to know about the men who do whether they say they are a woman or not.

As for those cheering these men on in their abuse and boundary breaking they are as bad as the men.

Whatever happened to respecting a woman's 'No'?

You stated it in a separate post, you should be able to say what it means. Why would you parrot something that you don't know what it means or aren't able to explain.

‘Salivating’

fgs.

These males & their supporters are disgraceful.

'misgendered' = correctly sexed.

We should start pointing this out every time accusations of misgendering are made.

Whatever happened to respecting a woman's 'No'?

These people only supported that when it was fashionable. They don't actually give a shit about women's rights, safety and dignity.

Completely

But the photo linked to on Reddux which people are salivating over is an entirely an unbiased source

It's a picture that clearly indicates a male. How is that biased? Are you denying that this person is male?