Another stabbing at a school?

[PassingStranger]

Fgs......
When will someone get a grip on all this?
How much more can people take.

People will be to scared to send their children to school?
Teachers will leave, then there might not be any school anyway!!!

What are they arguing about at school anyway
Is this gang related or a disagreement?
A girl has also been found guilty today of stabbing a teacher last year too.😫

Horrific. I live near Sheffield and it stopped me in my tracks when I heard it.

Just awful

I live in the area, I know the school and people who teach there. It is a good oversubscribed school, one that parents try to get their kids into. Absolutely tragic

I don't live in Sheffield anymore but not far away, when I initially heard the news I was surprised it was that school! Awful to happen anywhere of course 😪 that poor child and his family, just awful.

It's just awful - why are so many kids carrying knives these days? It just gets worse because then kids carry them to protect themselves from would be attackers with knives....

My heart was in my mouth for a moment when I saw the news as my eldest is at uni in Sheffield. It took a minute for the ages to click and realise it was deck day school age. I can't imagine how parents of children that go to school in Sheffield were feeling when they saw the news, worrying it could be their child.

It's absolutely awful news.whats going on in the world.... Por boy and family.

They said on Sky News that the same school went into lockdown last week over threats of violence. It’s awful.

My child is the same age and it makes you so worried about what’s going on with kids these days. Some of the stories my child tells me is horrifying. In some cases they are growing up around violence and then don’t know it’s wrong.

As parents we need to do better.

What are they arguing about all the time.
Why cant they just walk away?
Bloody Cowards stabbing people.

It's fairly local to me.

From what I've read, and been told by others locally, today's incident was between two 15y who had been sending one another threatening messages.

Last week there was a lockdown at the same school for 1-2 hours and at least one of the boys were involved, including one (the alleged perpetrator today) having a knife at that point too. Two groups of boys fighting and threatening one another that time.

Sadly it seems that one of the teen boys lost his life to knife violence.

The remaining pupils and staff were safe but unable to leave for a while, whilst the incident was dealt with.

Another young life lost to knife violence. The government needs to crack down and fast.

This just really drives home how we need to be intervening MUVH earlier at the FIRST signs of aggression or knife carrying.

The system is broken, we are letting things get way too far. No one is doing anything until someone is dead.

Schools bend over backwards to not exclude violent pupils and this is what happens. It should be zero tolerance.

I wish we could start having metal detectors in schools as a routine. Yes it may be using a sledgehammer to crack a hut, but it could make for safer schools for everyone. I say this as someone who used to work in a school.

Agreed. Schools need to be allowed to come down 100x harder on exclusions. The government needs to stop downgrading or penalising schools for excluding students. Devon County have just announced that schools will be fined £21,000 for each pupil they exclude. Appalling. Get these dangerous and continually disruptive students out of schools. Placing heavy penalties on any headteacher who tries to keep his students and staff safe and alive is utterly disgusting.

How?

What does 'cracking down' look like?

@OonaStubbs

The thing that's most likely to drive a kid towards a life of crime and violence is school exclusion. Which is why schools try not to exclude children.

I totally agree with this. Unfortunately the whole concept of keeping everyone in mainstream school is flawed. It needs to be much easier to exclude violent pupils. Even in Reception classes, young children are being subjected to unacceptable violence and the schools seem unable to do anything about it.

"Get these dangerous and continually disruptive students out of schools."

The majority of kids who end up in youth offender units - the cohort most likely to be excluded from school - are kids with learning and developmental difficulties who've come through the care system and who come from severely dysfunctional homes.

Excluding them from school is the thing most likely to result in that child leading a life of crime.

"Research consistently shows that school exclusion has a significant negative impact on students, leading to poorer mental health, increased behavioral difficulties, lower academic achievement, higher unemployment rates, and a greater likelihood of future criminal activity; essentially, it can severely disrupt a child's life trajectory and future opportunities"

Schools can't just exclude easily though. That would require changes much higher up the education chain in many situations.

Too many suspensions and exclusions means schools are called to question and have to supply a barrage of evidence as to why it's happened, and prove they've followed a school system of escalations to reach that point.

I'm not disagreeing with you exactly but the real question is what do we then do with such children? There's plenty of evidence to show that excluding children and then just leaving them out of education puts them at real risk of criminal activity and, for obvious reasons, other schools are extremely reluctant to pick them up.

So exclude/expel them and then what?

AFAIK headteachers can permanently expel in response to a serious breach. Yes it can later be overturned by governors or appealed to a panel, but IMO being found in possession of a knife is a serious breach and grounds for immediate permanent expulsion.

I appreciate the impact of exclusion on children and their later lives. I accept that a number of these children will be "looked after" children or have a whole load of trauma themselves, but the fact remains that schools have a duty of care towards the welfare of our children and if another child is found with a knife they should be removed from that school and referred to the police.

Yes agree, why so weak.
A girl stabbed 2 teachers last April.
Shed already been excluded for having a knife at school. She was let back into school though.

On the morning, the girl was carving into the floor with a knife and telling another pupil she was going to stab someone.
What a shitshow of mistakes.
Those who make decisions are not strong enough, and are letting everyone down.
Name and shame those who said she could come back into school.

What were they thinking.?😡
Poor teachers.

So true. I've heard it even looks bad on an Ofsted to expel students 🙄 part of the reason I don't give a shit about Ofsted's I'd rather my child be safe and not at risk from spiteful maladjusted shits.
My kids school apparently requires improvement still much better than the other school in the area which is apparently outstanding.

The “School to Prison Pipeline” is the most fiercely debated topic in education. Just type it into Reddit or X or any comment platform and you will see that people disagree hugely. I’ve even seen this debated at the Oxford Union.

Correlation is not causation. It’s not the literal act of school expulsion that leads to incarceration later on (that may play a small part) but rather the behaviours that led to the expulsion in the first place are the same behaviours, acts and character traits that would get you imprisoned.

A student who gets excluded by a school for bringing in a knife isn’t more likely to end up in prison because the school excluded them. They’re more likely to end up in prison because they are the kind of person bringing a knife into school in the first place. Correlation isn’t indicative of Causation.

100% OP. It’s a disgrace. The safety of children and teachers sacrificed daily to the altar of this inclusiveness/trauma-based/restorative ideology rot that’s made things worse for everyone. I have friends who are teachers who are afraid to step out of their classrooms at break time due to the violence and intimidation and abuse they face when they step into the corridors. I really wish someone in government would come down on this with an iron fist.

@blackbird77 no not the literal act of exclusion but quite possibly the vacuum that comes afterwards. Exclusion makes the school a safer place but not the wider world - and plenty of children get stabbed out in that.

Nah. They try to, but chances are it'll be overturned at IRP (appointed by the local authority).