Another stabbing at a school?

[PassingStranger]

Fgs......
When will someone get a grip on all this?
How much more can people take.

People will be to scared to send their children to school?
Teachers will leave, then there might not be any school anyway!!!

What are they arguing about at school anyway
Is this gang related or a disagreement?
A girl has also been found guilty today of stabbing a teacher last year too.😫

I agree with bringing back Borstals.

We need Borstals with the short sharp shock method used.

Don’t know why you couldn’t just say that.

Bring them back then. Better than this “ooh but his Mum is an alcoholic, that’s why he cut his classmate’s throat”, “but his dad left when he was a baby, that’s why he murdered the woman in the street” nonsense.

If people can’t behave lawfully, get them out of society. Why should the rest of us (and our children) need to deal with them? It’s not the public’s doing, nor is it our responsibility to fix them.

@Dotjones Parents should be prosecuted when their child commits a crime

^This, and things which will actually focus the minds of these parents, e.g. fine, plus mobile phone ban, social media ban, compulsory parenting lessons plus visible, local community service.

In addition, it should be made clear that it's OK, the social norm, for a member of a community to intervene reasonably in the bad behaviour of other people's kids. This happened when we were kids.

Imprisoning people doesn't change anyone, it's expensive and often makes them worse - ironically because the baying public don't want to pay for decent prison rehabilitation.

addition, it should be made clear that it's OK, the social norm, for a member of a community to intervene reasonably in the bad behaviour of other people's kids. This happened when we were kids.

This is what I tried to convey above. If you did something wrong there was a sense of community whereby you knew once your parents got wind of the situation you'd be punished accordingly.

I think nowadays we understand a lot more about mental health issues. So if little timmy was being a pain in the ass, and you told him off, his parents would likely chip in with "don't tell him off, he is autistic" or similar. Not having a dig at people with autism, I'm saying we are often quick to excuse bad behaviour these days.

addition, it should be made clear that it's OK, the social norm, for a member of a community to intervene reasonably in the bad behaviour of other people's kids. This happened when we were kids.

This is what I tried to convey above. If you did something wrong there was a sense of community whereby you knew once your parents got wind of the situation you'd be punished accordingly.

I think nowadays we understand a lot more about mental health issues. So if little timmy was being a pain in the ass, and you told him off, his parents would likely chip in with "don't tell him off, he is autistic" or similar. Not having a dig at people with autism, I'm saying we are often quick to excuse bad behaviour these days.

I thought you'd have some general knowledge about what measures had been taken in the past to address youth crime and antisocial behaviour and would therefore understand that you were describing something that has already been tried.

They didn't fix society, either.

Agree with that.

Parents are very quick to diagnose their badly behaved child as having ADHD, autism or similar. PDA is a big one too. No medical input, no specialist assessment, but he must have it because he doesn’t listen to a word I say.

That’s where it often begins. It’s easier to put it down to a medical condition rather than look in the mirror and see where you’re going wrong in your parenting. I read somewhere that a woman told her kids teacher not to decline him anything he asked for because he’s “triggered by the word no”. Absurd.

Imprisoning people doesn't change anyone, it's expensive and often makes them worse - ironically because the baying public don't want to pay for decent prison rehabilitation.

The 'baying public' as you condescendingly put it are so, are so, because think tanks or government organisations are still stuck on rubbish like, 'how dreadful it is for personal responsibility to be expected, we must blame the teachers, social workers or medics, it's appalling to expect this from the perpetrator or their parents, how JUDGEMENTAL of you for shame!!'

They closed them in the 60/70s. That’s a completely different generation of offenders, so it’s unfair to assume they wouldn’t work now.

They worked in the earlier stages of their existence, then tailed off. There’s nothing to say they wouldn’t/couldn’t work again.

Well what's your answer?

It's unacceptable that other children are subject to violence in school. It's also unfair that they're learning is disrupted.

Schools should be safe places for all kids and all kids should have a decent chance to learn and get decent grades.

A violence and disruption free education should be the norm. Not a privilege for those in private education

Be glad we have gun control. Were it like the US it would be far more deaths, not that any are acceptable.

I was shocked how quickly the go fund me went up!

What go fund me?

Because in this shitshow of a country, we bend over backwards for the rights of criminals.

Nobody cares about the victims of them.

Im not sure it makes a difference if there is medical or specialist input to be honest. Ive often seen references on here that a child with ASD is not badly behaved, it is their ASD presentation

I dispute that, a child can be badly behaved outside of their disorder and in any case it doesnt make a difference to the person on the receiving end of it.

Shocked in what way?

The go fund me was set up by a the parent of one of the boys friends. It is to pay for funeral costs and anything else the family needs

Sorry meant to quote @ElatedShark

Very sad to hear. What a mess.
The school will unfortunately get criticised, re previous dealings with behavioural issues, eg how things were previously handled, knives the week before.

Sends shivers down my spine because these days I know my ds2 could be out minding his own business and could be stabbed.

There is definitely a lot of criticism going around of how the school failed to keep the pupil safe, the murderer should have been expelled and this would have prevented it.

But would it have? There have been many stabbings of teens by teens in recent times, the only difference here is that this one happened in a school. If the pupil had been expelled, the murder could still well have happened but outside the school gates.

Did you not read the first part of my post?

But my point still stands. The baying majority just want someone else to deal with a problem, and they don't want to pay for it.

Many of these deaths could be avoided if parents and communities acted, and were encouraged by the police to do so.

It's totally unfair to blame schools, teachers etc. Parents, first and foremost, bear responsibility, but so do retailers and social media.

P.S. The word 'baying' means to cry repeatedly. Which is what is happening.

Or he could have just walked into the school and done it.