Another stabbing at a school?

[PassingStranger]

Fgs......
When will someone get a grip on all this?
How much more can people take.

People will be to scared to send their children to school?
Teachers will leave, then there might not be any school anyway!!!

What are they arguing about at school anyway
Is this gang related or a disagreement?
A girl has also been found guilty today of stabbing a teacher last year too.😫

I agree completely. I’m in the same boat with my 3 year old. Never would’ve considered homeschooling before they were born, but now, it’s a definite possibility.

Would love to hear someone counter your point about how we would never expect adults to work alongside someone who brought a knife to work, but expect kids to do it in school.

@itsgettingweird my son had a very similar experience.
Deputy head said the knife wasn't a big one and my son needed to "man up"
The kid involved who has been involved in numerous incidents since, got half a day's isolation
Next time anything like this happens again, I'll bypass the school entirely and go directly to the police

Ultimately, if the government sit on their hands with this and allow these scumbag bastards to take knives to school with no fear of repercussions, more will do it. Not to use them, but to protect themselves in case they’re ever faced with one.

Would love to hear someone counter your point about how we would never expect adults to work alongside someone who brought a knife to work, but expect kids to do it in school

I do agree with you both but just thinking it through, I suppose it isn’t taken as seriously coming from a child as it is from an adult. We all know teenager’s brains are still developing and they think and say all kinds of things, and are heavily influenced by their peers and what people think of them etc. So we don’t react in the same way as we would if a fully developed adult made threats.

I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just trying to analyse why there is a difference.

In my experience (I have children at 2 different secondary schools), the schools that are running on their reputation and high Ofsted scoring are worse at effectively tackling bad behaviour than those schools that Ofsted have graded lower.

My daughter was assaulted in her highly popular school, house prices are high just because people want their kids in this school. The school did fuck all, yet my other child is at a "needs improvement" school and he had issues with kids there and the school were massively proactive even when it happened off school grounds.

I don't doubt the teachers are working hard in both, but I think the culture of fear of Ofsted downgrading a school leads to focus on the wrong issues and not admitting where there are concerns.

What’s the difference between a murdered child and a murdered adult?

You will hear people say this, but these people are often willing to sacrifice their own children for the greater good (and that tells you something about the effectiveness and stranglehold of ideological hegemony in the UK today).

But I don't want to. I really need to work as life is so much easier if I do. My oldest and several young people I work with has told me enough violent stories about the local high school that it's worth looking into whether we can survive for a few short years to allow me to homeschool my youngest. I don't want them in that place.

Schools are nothing more than a holding pen to make sure their parents remain economically active. I hate to say it as there are some incredibly hard working and inspiring teachers who make wonderful and life enhancing role models to children and young people. But they don't have any control over the policies that endanger children.

Absolutely tragic, this Government and the previous one really seem unable to get a grip on this issue, it’s controversial and wouldn’t have helped here but perhaps stop and search needs expanding and the punishment for carrying a knife reconsidering , the current sentences obviously don’t deter

There isn’t. I meant the difference between the co-worker being never being made to work with that person again and the student being made to sit next to them in class the next day.

My understanding is that it's violence at home that is the main driver - surveys of kids that carry knives indicate that they feel unsafe at home. More, better pupil referral units may help, but keeping violent kids in school clearly doesn't stop them being violent.

You pondered why the perpetrator would be treated differently. We need to stop considering this. We need to prioritise and solely be focused on the potential harm.

Don’t we need to understand why the perpetrator is treated differently so we can then change it? If you want to change an attitude or a policy or a situation, you have to first understand why it exists.

I agree with you BTW. I have a 15 year old son who is in school as I write this. I believe I have the right to assume he is safe there and that right is under threat.

I was shocked that the girl at the Welsh school was previously found with a knife but she was allowed back into school on condition that her dad checked her bag every morning!

And you are demonising conventional schools based on a small number of cases.
What about Sara Sharif? She was taken out of school when she couldn't explain her injuries, and joined the supposedly loving, superior home ed community. Didn't end too well for her, did it?

This is a disgusting post.

The thing that's most likely to drive a kid towards a life of crime and violence is school exclusion. Which is why schools try not to exclude children.

How do you keep children safe so this doesn't keep happening?

Their killers are treated differently?
Killer teen- who's fault is it you felt the need to do that, you must have an unmet need, what do you want to feel better?
Killer adult,...well, we're kind of going that way too are we not I suppose?

It seems that there's only one group that counts and their feeling 'respected' and having what they want is the only thing that matters. Assaulted, threatened children just don't 'understand' and need to #be kind.

I've noticed that teen mum's just minding their own business trying to raise their children are treated like shit and called all sorts of names but everyone wants to make excuses for teens that do terrible things like stabbing and beating up their peers because "they're young their brains haven't developed etc"
Just ridiculous more borstals and prus are needed so the normal students can learn in peace.

Are you referring to a particular story?

Do you want to share it?

I'm talking about exclusions generally. You're suggesting that schools don't address the issue of children coming into school with weapons. There are protocols relating to this in every school not least because carrying a weapon is a criminal offence. Last year 103 pupils in London were permanently excluded for carrying a weapon in school - and that's in London where permanent exclusions are unusual.

Far and away the most common reason for permanent exclusion is disruptive behaviour. Not carrying a weapon.

So when I talk about serious youth crime being increased by high levels of school exclusion, and you basically come back with yeh, but you think people should be ok with kids carrying weapons into school!' - it's not helpful to the debate is it?

We are living in a world where teachers have been banned from using the word ‘no’. Unfortunately we are going to see an increase in violence and attacks in schools as years go on. Makes me scared for my children growing up.

I’ve worked in schools for years and it’s making me seriously question whether I’m safe in my workplace tbh.

I watched the teacher who was stabbed last year speaking after court on the news last night and they showed school cctv of the perpetrator after the stabbing sat in what looked the school hall and the body language of the kid… her demeanour… I just thought, I see that all the time day to day, the only difference is they don’t have a knife in their hands. Then I thought about how easily they could. Scared me shitless if I’m honest.

"but everyone wants to make excuses for teens that do terrible things like stabbing and beating up their peers because "they're young their brains haven't developed etc"
Just ridiculous more borstals and prus are needed so the normal students can learn in peace."

By 'making excuses' I think you mean 'understand the factors contributing towards criminality in children'.

2/3rds of children in criminal custody in the UK have come through the care system. They usually come from families that have been crushed by poverty, domestic violence, mental illness and substance abuse. Many have developmental difficulties - ADHD, ADD and learning delay. Many have had no input from the proper agencies because it's incredibly hard accessing these services when you don't have a competent adult parent who is willing to advocate for you at home.

I know people like you just want to throw these children in the trash and never have to think about them again. You want easy answers to the problem these children represent. There aren't any.

That's a lie.

Can we not be going full Trump about our education system?

It's the last thing we need.