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PassingStranger · 2025-02-03T17:00:21+00:00

Fgs...... When will someone get a grip on all this? How much more can people take. People will be to scared to send their children to school? Teachers will leave, then there might not be any school anyway!!! What are they arguing about at school anyway Is this gang related or a disagreement? A girl has also been found guilty today of stabbing a teacher last year too.😫

Whimsicalgrape · 04/02/2025 22:38

TENSsion · 04/02/2025 22:33

No. I think I’ve been as clear as I can about my stance but I will try again.
Schools should not be expected to deal with children like this. We need professional organisations with the necessary training, facilities and funding to deal with them.
The moment that a school feels unequipped to deal with a child’s behaviour, they should be able to make a referral and remove them. Without fear of fines or judgement.

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Fully agree schools shouldn't have to be dealing with this.

I extend that further to say no one should have to deal with this no matter who or where they are. Tackling knife crime can't just be solved by eradicating it in education establishments.

TENSsion · 04/02/2025 22:41

Whimsicalgrape · 04/02/2025 22:38

Fully agree schools shouldn't have to be dealing with this.

I extend that further to say no one should have to deal with this no matter who or where they are. Tackling knife crime can't just be solved by eradicating it in education establishments.

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What’s your suggestion?

ERthree · 04/02/2025 23:01

TENSsion · 04/02/2025 22:21

That’s not an issue for schools. Schools are for education. They’re not for criminal rehabilitation. It shouldn’t be in anyway considered to be in their remit or responsibility.
If a child comes to school with a weapon/ seriously assaults anyone/ consistently impedes other pupils’ learning, they should be immediately removed and there should be professional bodies responsible for them. These bodies need proper training and funding.

It’s insane to expect schools to deal with criminal behaviour and expect children to face it every day.

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Quickest way to get the children to behave is to fine the parents and make the parents spend days sitting beside their child in school. That would bring parents back to disciplining their children.

Whimsicalgrape · 04/02/2025 23:11

TENSsion · 04/02/2025 22:41

What’s your suggestion?

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Don't know truth be told, it's a complex issue. I do think poor parenting plays a large part, but I think it requires collaboration from many services at various levels.

Also, giving disadvantaged kids something to aspire to other than gang activity. There are schemes in place but like I said, funding was cut or not renewed when funds expired.

A lot of these young kids have shit role models and don't see anything other than crime as way of life. It's sad.

Tillow4ever · 04/02/2025 23:52

Isittimeformynapyet · 04/02/2025 21:17

Is deck day a thing or a typo? Honestly, I can't keep up with the World these days!

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So sorry - “secondary” fat fingers and my phone clearly thinking it knew better than I did what I wanted to type!

Paul2023 · 04/02/2025 23:55

Schools are becoming violent places like prisons! It’s utterly outrageous.

Teachers are leaving the job and parents taking their own children out of school. Where is this going ?

Lunde · 05/02/2025 00:08

crumblingschools · 04/02/2025 13:15

I know it’s not in this country but there is breaking news of a shooting in a school in Sweden 😔

Totally shocking - 11 dead including the shooter 😢

Doesn't really fit the other patterns of school violence as the shooter was not a kid but a 35 year old local man and it was an adult education college (students 19+).

Chipshopninja · 05/02/2025 00:22

Fmdwz · 04/02/2025 22:15

I don't get what motives a teenager to stab another teenager to death.

I've had fights and stuff but would never consider taking the life of a bully, no matter how bad.

Be careful how you word that. The child who was killed, there is no evidence or accounts from children at the school that he was a bully

Nat6999 · 05/02/2025 01:29

Hallamlass · 04/02/2025 07:26

This, x100.
In Sheffield, and elsewhere, there are MATs with CEOs on huge salaries, with Chief Impact Officers, also on high salaries. None of this seems to have lead to any significant improvement. There used to be one Director of Education for the whole city. We don't need a dozen.
Money goes upwards in schools for all this, instead of being used to reduce class size and support AEN.

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Definitely, schools need to be brought back under council control & all the money wasted on CEO's & Executives ploughed back into where it matters, the children. We need special schools instead of forcing kids into mainstream schools & smaller secondary schools. Does anyone see any correlation between the rise in bad behaviour in schools & the fact that most families have to have 2 working parents now? When I was young, most mothers were at home during the day & kids weren't expected to fend for themselves before & after school, if mothers did work they either worked during school hours or worked at night leaving dad in charge.

OonaStubbs · 05/02/2025 07:55

I don't think there's any correlation, a lot of the worst kids are from households where nobody works, their parent(s) just don't give a shit about them. One wonders why they even had kids in the first place.

Chipshopninja · 05/02/2025 08:11

The boy who did has been charged with murder, possession of a bladed article and affray

UndermyShoeJoe · 05/02/2025 08:17

OonaStubbs · 05/02/2025 07:55

I don't think there's any correlation, a lot of the worst kids are from households where nobody works, their parent(s) just don't give a shit about them. One wonders why they even had kids in the first place.

Back in the day… 💰

Then you get the ones who as per sell a little weed, get their children running their little deals. Teaching them how to steal good things from shops at a young age.

Those children have no future other than following their parents footsteps or worse in actual gangs running drugs and stealing. Fighting over turf.

What do we say. Ah well little James cannot help it, he was raised this way, he has a poor home life a bad background…. Oh ok so how do we help him… well it’s best to keep children with their parents really… oh ok so how do we help the parents? We ask if they want help and then tell us to fuck off… oh so now what do we do? Nothing we have tried.

Rinse and repeat.

Whimsicalgrape · 05/02/2025 08:32

UndermyShoeJoe · 05/02/2025 08:17

Back in the day… 💰

Then you get the ones who as per sell a little weed, get their children running their little deals. Teaching them how to steal good things from shops at a young age.

Those children have no future other than following their parents footsteps or worse in actual gangs running drugs and stealing. Fighting over turf.

What do we say. Ah well little James cannot help it, he was raised this way, he has a poor home life a bad background…. Oh ok so how do we help him… well it’s best to keep children with their parents really… oh ok so how do we help the parents? We ask if they want help and then tell us to fuck off… oh so now what do we do? Nothing we have tried.

Rinse and repeat.

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I do feel we as a society need some tougher measures but I'm not sure what or how.

Kibble29 · 05/02/2025 08:44

Chipshopninja · 05/02/2025 08:11

The boy who did has been charged with murder, possession of a bladed article and affray

Good. Life sentence incoming.

Hoppinggreen · 05/02/2025 10:43

I was just involved with the PE of a violent child from a school, it took us around 6 months. His Mum has appealed and so he is back until the appeal is heard

NeverDropYourMooncup · 05/02/2025 12:24

Kibble29 · 04/02/2025 20:43

If exclusions statistically don’t work, and leaving them in a normal school isn’t possible, why do we not have an option to send them to a boot camp style facility?

Take them out of their homes, put them in a military-style barracks (without weapons obviously) and let them learn to be a young adult properly.

Awake at 6am, a strict regime throughout the day where they study and learn vocational skills as well as learn discipline and respect for others. No phones, games consoles etc.

Limited contact with home. Harsh punishment for the ones who think they don’t need to do it.

Instil some genuine self-confidence and self-worth and give them a chance to turn their life around before they end up in prison.

Let them stay there until they can be trusted to come back. Maybe they’ll come back with skills that can get them into further education or employment.

I think they’d go as cocky little boys and return as men.

No criminal record, just a chance to sort their lives out.

You mean a short, sharp shock?

They could name it after the area one of these institutions is based.

Maybe choose an older name for one of the current institutions that does exactly that.

Kibble29 · 05/02/2025 12:47

NeverDropYourMooncup · 05/02/2025 12:24

You mean a short, sharp shock?

They could name it after the area one of these institutions is based.

Maybe choose an older name for one of the current institutions that does exactly that.

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Not a clue what you’re alluding to.

Whimsicalgrape · 05/02/2025 13:15

Kibble29 · 05/02/2025 08:44

Good. Life sentence incoming.

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Can 15 years old get life sentences?

LuckysDadsHat · 05/02/2025 13:24

Whimsicalgrape · 05/02/2025 13:15

Can 15 years old get life sentences?

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They can. And then technically be out in 10 years or something. They wouldn't do a whole life tarrif for this in my opinion.

noblegiraffe · 05/02/2025 13:26

Yes, murder is always a life sentence. If released, you’re on licence for the rest of your life.

Children can’t get a whole life order though.

Kibble29 · 05/02/2025 13:26

Whimsicalgrape · 05/02/2025 13:15

Can 15 years old get life sentences?

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Yep, it’s mandatory for anyone convicted of murder. Minimum is 12 years for his age.

TENSsion · 05/02/2025 13:27

A boy in my school murdered someone when we were in year 11.
He was out by the time we were 21.

Kibble29 · 05/02/2025 13:28

WLO is currently for 21+ but I believe it will be reduced to 18 years old.

It wouldn’t apply in this case anyway, even if he was older.

Dotjones · 05/02/2025 13:38

Parents should be prosecuted when their child commits a crime (in addition to the child being prosecuted). That's the only way some parents will take responsibility, to be forced to.

The focus is the wrong way around. Rather than looking at preventing knife crime, which is impossible (with caveat below), we need to remove the likely perpetrators from school (and society) when they commit more minor offences. Few stabbings are carried out by someone carrying a knife for the very first time. Most of them have been caught carrying a weapon beforehand and have been involved in other forms of violence or antisocial behaviour.

We need to be quicker to write people off. Someone who is a repeat offender when it comes to antisocial behaviour or carrying a weapon etc. shouldn't be seen as someone who can rehabilitated. Rehabilitation and second (and third) chances are just means of gambling with innocent lives. The offenders just need locking up, permanently. Forget about trying to change them, just remove them from society and have done with it.

(The caveat about it being impossible to end knife crime is that of course it is possible, but only by doing something worse. You could end knife crime almost overnight by legalising handguns and flooding the country with cheap subsidised firearms, but most people would argue that'd be worse.)

NeverDropYourMooncup · 05/02/2025 17:21

Kibble29 · 05/02/2025 12:47

Not a clue what you’re alluding to.

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Borstal. You're describing Borstal.