Another stabbing at a school?

[PassingStranger]

Fgs......
When will someone get a grip on all this?
How much more can people take.

People will be to scared to send their children to school?
Teachers will leave, then there might not be any school anyway!!!

What are they arguing about at school anyway
Is this gang related or a disagreement?
A girl has also been found guilty today of stabbing a teacher last year too.😫

This, it's ridiculous that there's so much of a push towards 'what?! Tell a pupil that their violence and aggression isn't acceptable?! OF COURSE NOT!! This'll hurt their feelings and it then won't be their fault what they do, poor lambs'....

exclusions cause criminality = don't make people face consequences as they'll do worse actions if you do?

The priority should always be the safety of rule-abiding children. The wellbeing and potential future of the knife wielder should not even be a consideration.

And yet that is exactly what has happened in this case.

I hope they throw away the key, but they won't

You know they won't throw away the
Key.
Justice isn't fit gor purpose anymore.
Nobody is scared of going to prison.
Hats off to those who work with the dregs of society in prisons and secure units today.

Yep. Suspensions and exclusions aren’t necessarily a bad thing, sometimes just needed to keep a class safe. I vote Labour but the inclusion push is misguided. Sort behaviour in schools and you sort a lot of problems - some children should not be in mainstream schools and we should look at making sure there are safe and resourced alternatives.

For those with the 'inclusion/no exclusion at all costs' viewpoints..
If your child was assaulted/stabbed, would you still have the same view? That their attacker/killer shouldn't face consequences, that for them to stay in school was paramount?

It's the school ds should have gone to from his primary school. Both parties have been named on social media. I'm fully expecting hatred to be whipped up as the one who did it isn't white, he had threatened someone last week with a shard of glass leading to the school being put into lockdown. They say kids are safer in school, but this shows that they aren't. Until someone finds the answer to eradicate knife crime, there will be more incidents like this. I can understand parents who don't want to send their children to school, it's part of the reason big schools aren't the answer because it isn't manageable to search & scan 1500+ kids entering & leaving school each day. The problem is he will get a sentence of less than 10 years, probably less than 5 locked up, & will come out with more criminal knowledge than he went in with.

Idris Elba is in a documentary that I only saw 2 days ago exactly on this topic. He has been campaigning for the banning of zombie knives. The big ridiculous dangerous ones that there is no need for in a civilised society. Apparently the Tories opposed a blanket ban on them because it impacted ceremonial swords. So keep the 1% happy then.

Apparently excluding children from school is one of the problems. They have nothing else to do and violence becomes the answer. All the funding to engage with them in school through different programmes had their budgets cut or cancelled.

A lot of the perpetrators have a sad background. Either been through the care system, failed by social services and schools and quite often from troubled homes. Or all of the above.

As I watched the documentary it occurred to me we as a society are comfortable blaming teachers, police, social services for their failures but not once did anyone mention poor parenting.

Why can't we say shit neglectful parents produce kids who are lost in the world and see gangs and violence as an answer. Ok not every.single. one but many do. Absent parents who themselves may also be involved in crime and drugs. Who no doubt will be a victim themselves in some capacity. It was very depressing to watch.

Exactly.

If your child is lying on a mortuary slab one day because of one of these lawless little fuckers, will this bring you some comfort?

My child had just started year 7 high school and my shock at the disrespect kids give to teachers and each other has been mind blowing. My daughter is quite innocent and young in her ways and I think she’s so shocked at the language kids use, but already is quickly becoming desensitised to it.
I feel like I’m a relatively modern mum but hear myself saying “in my day this wouldn’t have been tolerated”. Kids seem sad and angry and so willing to speak to each other badly that it breaks my heart. I also feel teachers have no way of managing bad behaviour. It’s just constant detentions or isolations, suspensions or being expelled is so rare, yet again in my time at school half of the stuff that’s gone on recently would have at least been a suspension. I feel so sorry for teachers and the good kids 💔

Another downside of social media.

Why are there so many angry people about.
This is the problem people cannot walk away and turn the other cheek.
Kids are no longer in fear of embarrassing their parents either.

You would have been scared what your parents would say if you stepped out of line years ago.

Country's embarrassing.

This “inclusion at all costs” narrative has been around for years.

Many of us 30+ year olds will remember the badly behaved, disruptive, violent kids at school being given extra trips/awards and treats for doing the basics and behaving themselves for a few days while the polite, behaved kids who did their best watched on with no reward.

They'll be the ones saying to their own child
'Well yes Jemima, Phillip just beat the shit out of you, but how dreadful of you to want him to get into trouble! We must prioritise him!'

“We don’t know Phillip’s situation, dear. All behaviour is communication, remember. At times like this we should practice compassion”.

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Yes, I totally agree with you. It's disgusting what the government are trying to push through and also their attempts to demonise the home ed community. Schools are not safe places.

Schools should be safe places for children who actually want to learn and get on in life. Not to mention teachers.

If you exclude a pupil they can go to another school, can just move the problem

Threatened to stab him with a shard of glass.

Threatened to stab him with a shard of glass.

So I work in a large secondary school. We have kids who have beaten the shit out of other kids (think jumping on heads) but they still remain in school.

the school has had bikes stolen (from the kids who go here, on cctv, nothing happened). The school was broken into and classrooms smashed up. We know who they are. They are still in school.

there are no consequences. Detentions, isolations, they don’t turn up. We had a separate area for the really violent kids but that’s gone now, they are in mainstream and it’s because of ofsted.

the absolute state of some parents, and yes, this is judgy. Parents that absolutely shouldn’t be having kids (not another 7 anyway), they are drug addicts, in domestic violent relationships, sexual abuse is a lot higher than you think, neglect, etc.

you do feel for these kids. There are so many lost souls, very angry with the world. But we still have a duty of care to all the other children.

we definitely have kids that carry. We have kids who are involved in county lines.

my kids both go to this ‘top’ secondary school. It’s only working in it that you see what really goes on. You wouldn’t know otherwise.

''All behaviour is communication''...Usually said by the apologists for appalling behaviour.

They say this soft snowflake stuff when a kid is young...but the minute a man is 25 it's ''LTB!''

What becomes to ''all behaviour is communication'' when the little shitty man beats his wife?

How many more kids have to be stabbed before the "inclusion at all costs" people admit they are wrong? Is there a limit?

I agree but then they would probably hang about after school and do it somewhere else by following their victim

Lock them up. Keep the law-abiding kids (and teachers) safe.