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To be really glad I don't live in America right now

806 replies

AnonymousBleep · 31/01/2025 09:57

I really feel for ordinary Americans. It's bad enough on this side of the Channel, hearing daily about Trump's latest petty, spiteful, idiotic bullshit - that rant against the Bishop who asked him to have mercy on immigrants, the ridiculous and insulting attempt to blame 'diversity' for the plane crash - but living under it must be so much worse. And heaven help you if you're LGBT or a woman. Or an immigrant. Or not white. Or poor. Or anyone else Trump and his freakshow of a government despises. I moan about the UK all the time, like everyone else who lives here, because god knows it's far from perfect, but at least we don't have a government in charge who is trying to strip huge swathes of the population of their rights and citizenship.

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SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 09:44

StandFirm · 07/02/2025 09:40

America is not great right now.

What sort of message does this latest outrageous move send to the world? When the US is not even a member of the ICC?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/06/trump-sanction-icc

The message - is fuck you, I'm looking out for my own interests.

(With regard to Israel, US supports Israel for political but mainly military reasons, they have a very very very large presence there)

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 09:51

Totallymessed · 07/02/2025 08:18

TRAs are always at their most hilarious during their forays into "science".

What is a TRA?

I have post grad quals in biology.

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 09:52

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 09:51

What is a TRA?

I have post grad quals in biology.

No you don't - you can't tell the difference between Male and Female and you don't understand how DSDs work - you proved that just now.

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 09:53

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 09:18

Intersex is another word for DSD. differences in sexual development

EVERYONE WITH A DSD IS EITHER MALE OR FEMALE

Repeat after me:

EVERYONE WITH A DSD IS EITHER MALE OR FEMALE

People with a Difference of Sexual Development (DSD) are still categorized as male or female based on their chromosomal, gonadal, or anatomical sex, though their bodies may not fit typical definitions of male or female. A DSD refers to a variety of conditions where an individual’s sexual development is atypical, but their sex is still typically recognized as male or female based on their physical characteristics or genetic factors. It’s important to note that while a DSD can cause variations in sex characteristics, it does not change the fundamental male or female classification of an individual. However, the complexity of these conditions highlights the diversity of human biology.

Provide your source.

And then tell us "still categorized as male or female based on their chromosomal, gonadal, or anatomical sex" which one takes precedence.

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 09:54

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 09:52

No you don't - you can't tell the difference between Male and Female and you don't understand how DSDs work - you proved that just now.

Ah yes I do. DSDs don't concern me - I don't work in human sociology. I work in biology. Opinions don't concern me - I stick with biological reality.

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 09:55

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 09:53

Provide your source.

And then tell us "still categorized as male or female based on their chromosomal, gonadal, or anatomical sex" which one takes precedence.

The dictionary. Sex is binary and defined by whether you're set up to produce large or small gametes. Everyone with a DSD is set up to make one or the other and is male or female.

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 09:56

WillIEverBeOk · 07/02/2025 07:43

They know with puberty, or the lack thereof. Are you seriously suggesting parents wouldn't take their daughter to the doctor if they hadn't had their period by 15, just to check nothings wrong?

Well some women have discovered they are intersex in middle age. How did that happen? And some animals have been found to be intersex in adulthood - how did that happen?

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 09:56

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 09:54

Ah yes I do. DSDs don't concern me - I don't work in human sociology. I work in biology. Opinions don't concern me - I stick with biological reality.

It's not an opinion that everyone with a DSD is male or female, it's a fact. Just like everyone else in the human race

male

or

female

not in-between, not a third

everyone is one or the other

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 09:57

WillIEverBeOk · 07/02/2025 07:47

They will use the males as they will have internal testes and go through male puberty and have male frame like Khelif's. At the end of their teens their body will be demonstrably male, even if the young teenage one isn't that way.

Not always. Sometimes but not always. How do you think they get to be middle aged without knowing they are XY?

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 09:57

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 09:56

Well some women have discovered they are intersex in middle age. How did that happen? And some animals have been found to be intersex in adulthood - how did that happen?

We are not talking about other animals, we are talking about humans

That some people find out later means - nothing, it's not a gotcha - maybe they had bad doctors, inattentive parents, anything

they are still male or female

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 09:58

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 09:57

Not always. Sometimes but not always. How do you think they get to be middle aged without knowing they are XY?

it doesn't matter - theyre still male or female. not in-between.

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 10:00

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 09:57

Not always. Sometimes but not always. How do you think they get to be middle aged without knowing they are XY?

A person with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) is genetically male (XY chromosomes), but their body cannot respond to androgens (male hormones like testosterone) due to a mutation in the androgen receptor gene. As a result, they develop a female physical appearance, including typically female external genitalia, despite having XY chromosomes.

In cases of CAIS, individuals are often raised as females because their physical traits align with those of females. The condition is usually not discovered until later in life, often during adolescence when menstruation fails to occur or during a medical examination for infertility, as they might not experience typical male puberty changes such as deepening of the voice or facial hair growth. The individual may never be aware of their chromosomal sex, as they appear and are socially recognized as female, and there may be no immediate reason for them to question this.

The discovery of their chromosomal sex might occur later in life through medical investigations, like a visit to a doctor for infertility concerns, hormone testing, or when undergoing genetic testing for other reasons. Since individuals with CAIS typically are brought up as female and experience no significant issues until this discovery, many are shocked or surprised upon learning about their XY chromosomes. The revelation might lead to complex emotional and identity-related challenges, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are actually MALE.

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 10:02

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 09:20

A lack of penis and testicles does not make you female.

What are you so hard of thinking?

Are you aware that the female body plan is the default in mammals? In birds it's the male so when birds lose their one ovo to cancer they return to the male default plan. This is why aging hens sometimes start crowing as cancer takes out their one functioning gonad. But in mammals it's the female that is default. So yes a male who is intersex usually has a female body because the testes don't develop so they don't have a male body.

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 10:03

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 09:22

Every single well researched, high quality study finds this to be entirely false

Gender affirming care makes no difference to mental health and does not reduce suicide.

Your source please.

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 10:05

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 10:02

Are you aware that the female body plan is the default in mammals? In birds it's the male so when birds lose their one ovo to cancer they return to the male default plan. This is why aging hens sometimes start crowing as cancer takes out their one functioning gonad. But in mammals it's the female that is default. So yes a male who is intersex usually has a female body because the testes don't develop so they don't have a male body.

The statement that the female body plan is the “default” in mammals can be misleading, as it simplifies the complexities of sex determination and development. While it is true that in the absence of specific signals, certain aspects of fetal development might proceed in a way that aligns with female anatomy, this doesn’t mean that a mammal is inherently female or male until those developmental cues kick in.

From conception, an individual’s genetic sex is determined by the combination of sex chromosomes inherited from their parents, either XX (female) or XY (male). This genetic difference dictates the development of sex characteristics throughout gestation and into adulthood. In mammals, it is the presence of the Y chromosome and the SRY gene (Sex-determining Region Y) that triggers the development of male characteristics. Without this Y chromosome, the embryo will develop female characteristics, as the default pathway without the influence of male hormones is female.

However, this does not mean that the “female body” is the default in a genetic sense—it means that, in the absence of male influences (testosterone and the action of the SRY gene), the body will develop female traits. The idea that we are genetically female or male from conception is backed by the fact that the presence of the Y chromosome dictates male development, and the absence of it results in female development. The gender or sexual characteristics that manifest later in life are a direct result of this genetic blueprint, not simply a default body plan that is “switched” from male to female or vice versa.

Regarding intersex individuals with conditions like Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS), although they may appear female because their bodies cannot respond to male hormones, their genetic sex is still male (XY). The body’s inability to respond to androgens leads to a female phenotype, but genetically, they remain male. This highlights that although external sex characteristics can vary, the underlying genetic sex determined at conception remains the primary factor in sexual development.

Therefore, the argument that the female body is the “default” oversimplifies the complex biological processes involved in sexual differentiation and ignores the crucial role of genetics in determining whether an individual is male or female from conception.

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 10:05

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 09:23

It does not matter.

Males in the mens room

Females in the ladies.

Done.

Nope not done. Unless you can give me a solid biological authoritative proof, not done at all.

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 10:07

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 10:05

Nope not done. Unless you can give me a solid biological authoritative proof, not done at all.

Every time any has handed you you arse on a plate, you ignore it

Males in the mens

females in the ladies

everyone is either Male or female

everyone

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 10:08

A person with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) is genetically male (XY chromosomes), but their body cannot respond to androgens (male hormones like testosterone) due to a mutation in the androgen receptor gene. As a result, they develop a female physical appearance, including typically female external genitalia, despite having XY chromosomes.

In cases of CAIS, individuals are often raised as females because their physical traits align with those of females. The condition is usually not discovered until later in life, often during adolescence when menstruation fails to occur or during a medical examination for infertility, as they might not experience typical male puberty changes such as deepening of the voice or facial hair growth. The individual may never be aware of their chromosomal sex, as they appear and are socially recognized as female, and there may be no immediate reason for them to question this.

The discovery of their chromosomal sex might occur later in life through medical investigations, like a visit to a doctor for infertility concerns, hormone testing, or when undergoing genetic testing for other reasons. Since individuals with CAIS typically are brought up as female and experience no significant issues until this discovery, many are shocked or surprised upon learning about their XY chromosomes. The revelation might lead to complex emotional and identity-related challenges, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are actually MALE.

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 10:08

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 10:07

Every time any has handed you you arse on a plate, you ignore it

Males in the mens

females in the ladies

everyone is either Male or female

everyone

And anyone who is intersex should be allowed in which ever restroom they feel comfortable in.
NOT TRANS but intersex.

Someone who looks externally entirely male, for example, can have a uterus, or female (XX) chromosomes.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/this-woman-only-discovered-she-was-intersex-after-watching

This Woman Only Discovered She Was Intersex After Watching A Viral Video About It

“My life could have been 100% different if one person would have told me the truth,” Irene Kuzemko told BuzzFeed News.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/this-woman-only-discovered-she-was-intersex-after-watching

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 10:11

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 10:08

And anyone who is intersex should be allowed in which ever restroom they feel comfortable in.
NOT TRANS but intersex.

Someone who looks externally entirely male, for example, can have a uterus, or female (XX) chromosomes.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/patrickstrudwick/this-woman-only-discovered-she-was-intersex-after-watching

It does not matter.

Everyone has a sex, one, or the other.

Some spaces, bathrooms and changing rooms are segregated strictly by sex.

No objections

no exceptions

no ifs

no buts

Males in the mens

females in the ladies.

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 10:12

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 10:08

A person with Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (CAIS) is genetically male (XY chromosomes), but their body cannot respond to androgens (male hormones like testosterone) due to a mutation in the androgen receptor gene. As a result, they develop a female physical appearance, including typically female external genitalia, despite having XY chromosomes.

In cases of CAIS, individuals are often raised as females because their physical traits align with those of females. The condition is usually not discovered until later in life, often during adolescence when menstruation fails to occur or during a medical examination for infertility, as they might not experience typical male puberty changes such as deepening of the voice or facial hair growth. The individual may never be aware of their chromosomal sex, as they appear and are socially recognized as female, and there may be no immediate reason for them to question this.

The discovery of their chromosomal sex might occur later in life through medical investigations, like a visit to a doctor for infertility concerns, hormone testing, or when undergoing genetic testing for other reasons. Since individuals with CAIS typically are brought up as female and experience no significant issues until this discovery, many are shocked or surprised upon learning about their XY chromosomes. The revelation might lead to complex emotional and identity-related challenges, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are actually MALE.

and you insist they use men's restrooms and not go into the ladies.

SernieBanders · 07/02/2025 10:13

MeTooOverHere · 07/02/2025 10:12

and you insist they use men's restrooms and not go into the ladies.

YES

BECAUSE THEY ARE MALE

Can you read?

I've said it like 25 times